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355 spark plug O ring leak

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  1. Carmellini

    Carmellini Formula Junior

    Jul 16, 2019
    975
    Posted this in valve cover thread with no luck....let's try a different way....

    I have 2 leaking O rings on bank 1. Wondering if this might cause unmetered air to enter and
    cause 14% long term fuel trim? Recent monkeying around the area while installing new axle boots and
    clutch/flywheel service so it is possible that I created a vacuum leak, but I can't see anything obvious?
     
  2. INTMD8

    INTMD8 F1 Veteran
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    I mean the crankcase is part of the pcv system but highly unlikely this is the cause of your fuel trim problem.

    If it's 14% on both banks it could be a vacuum leak at the throttle bodies, low maf output or fuel pressure.

    If fuel trims are split it's more likely an exhaust leak or something allowing air to enter the system pre o2 sensor. (or o2 failing)
     
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  3. Carmellini

    Carmellini Formula Junior

    Jul 16, 2019
    975
    My gut thought it was not the O rings, but AI was giving conflicting info.

    Bank 2 readings are great, so I can eliminate MAF (I have a 5.2) and fuel. Exhaust was removed for my recent work, so that would
    be the first suspect?

    OBD scans show no codes thrown, so can i discount O2 sensor?
     
  4. INTMD8

    INTMD8 F1 Veteran
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    Well you can’t discount/eliminate anything until it’s fixed. You could swap sensors bank to bank but I suspect you may find the same result.
     
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  5. Carmellini

    Carmellini Formula Junior

    Jul 16, 2019
    975
    Time to borrow my friends smoke tester.
     
  6. johnk...

    johnk... F1 World Champ
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    If you have a leak in the exhaust before the pre cat O2 sensor the fuel trim should continue to increase until it throws a cel because adding fuel will not lower the O2 in the exhaust in that case. If LT is stable then chances are it's on the intake side or injector related.
     
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  7. Carmellini

    Carmellini Formula Junior

    Jul 16, 2019
    975
    Yes, LT is very stable at 14.

    Bought a smoke test machine being delivered today.

    To mention: Car is running great, and fuel trims were near zero before I did my clutch and axle boots.
     
  8. INTMD8

    INTMD8 F1 Veteran
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    You can end up with a positive stable fuel trim with an exhaust leak, it just depends on how bad it is.
     
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  9. Carmellini

    Carmellini Formula Junior

    Jul 16, 2019
    975
    I found an innocuous leak at the Y pipe that is forward of the MAF. I thought that the clamp might have
    created a pin hole, but I could see the pipe was not properly seated on the MAF. Leak is gone.

    Can a very small leak be significant enough to alter fuel trim? Also, the leak was on the right side, but
    only bank 1 showed higher fuel trim; since that pipe is shared wouldn't I see the same reading
    from bank to bank? Or, since the leak was again on the right side would that affect only bank 1.

    Will do some additional testing and perhaps swap O2 sensors.

    To mention:
    -car is running great
    -bank 2 readings are spot on
    -new fuel and air filters
     
  10. johnk...

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    Drive it and see if the fuel trim goes down. If may take a while though.
     
  11. Carmellini

    Carmellini Formula Junior

    Jul 16, 2019
    975
    I'd like to, but right plenum tube is off and I want to smoke test a bit more on bank 1,
    along with sending some smoke in thru the exhaust pipe.

    It would be nice if this little leak was the culprit, but I have to believe
    there is something else?

    After that, will button up and drive a bit.
     
  12. Carmellini

    Carmellini Formula Junior

    Jul 16, 2019
    975
    Cannot be 100% sure, but I believe I have a leak on the vacuum hose that is between the throttle bodies

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    At the moment, I can't see a way to get in there without removing a bunch of stuff which I am not excited to do? There is a wiring loom
    that sits right on top of that area and I would guess the plenum would have to be removed as well?

    The leak seems very minor and there is a part of me that wants to leave it alone until I have to get in there for some other reason.
    But......there is the greater part of me that won't be able to rest until it is resolved.
     

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