296 VS

Both Pista and 458 S came down in price initially. I actually bought my 458 S for under sticker in 2020 crazily enough and was offered a PIsta at $10k below sticker. I think first couple years 296 S trades at sticker or modest discount and then stabilizes and rises. I know there are those here who would argue the 296 and all its variants will be absolutely worthless in 10 years but I don’t agree.

 

458 base models were trading good used when the spec came out and the price to swap was much less than it is on the 296, same with the 488 iirc

 

The things that could help with values on the hybrids might be:

1. Ferrari continues to release more hybrids
2. Ferrari releases replacement batteries that improve reliability, battery life, etc for what's out there, even if it came at a massive premium

I think (1) is certainly going to be true for the time being unless there's a huge breakthrough in sustainable fuels in the coming years that makes it more widely available at every gas station. (2) seems plausible, but I'm not sure it's likely. Ferrari will definitely continue to help manage the LaFerrari and then the F80 for owners in the years to come, but the overhead to do that for every future hybrid seems like a lot of work for a gamble to maintain values. Alternative path is to do what they did with the Speciale and price most people out of the special edition cars.

Speaking of which, I got the GTS over to our PPF guy, and all he did was sent me a huge bank of photos of dust particles trapped under the clear coat. It's a shame how bad Ferrari paint is for these crazy prices.

 

sorry to hear about the dust !! that sucks …. and it should never happen …. also , hybrid is here to stay

 

did you notice if the paint prices were higher as someone up thread indicated? I think they said $45k for paints like Magma and Maranello.

 

I wish $45k. $46,020 to be exact.

 

Curious if anything can be done for the dust particles? Probably not but these guys work magic sometimes.

Also curious about your opinion on the carbon fiber rear bumper (SPCF). I almost like it better with the body color there instead of carbon but can't decide. On the one hand, it looks good to have the bumper match the rear diffuser, but on the other hand it is almost too much carbon.

 

What I like is that the carbon lends itself to the look of the challenge car. What I also like about the non-CF bumper is more body color for your $46k. If you have the gloss black roof, it definitely ties in with the non-CF.
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yeah, tough call. even looking at these two pictures I could go either way.

 

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Gloss black roof and no carbon all day.

 

I would add more straightforward and robust warranty coverage. I also think 1 continues because its the best way for them to achieve a performance advantage.

 

And another 8.5% tariff contribution on top of that. So looking at $50K.

 

does anyone of the Speciale personalization pdf to share? (options, what must be ordered with what etc)

 

Corvette just smashed everyone they believe a 6:48 at the ring is doable, their Turbo's offer zero lag.] and their hybrid version is next - meaning it's easy to build both in same chassis.
Yes certain models will be hybrid but these factories are all now going back and spending money on engines - not just Lamborghini but all of them. Ferrari just patented a new engine - electrics and hybrids have devastating results to date but for the Halo cars.
I do not think the customer losses are sustainable even for Ferrari customers. Batteries can't get better lighter etc - they are easily repairable so there is no need to keep spending money on battery development. Enter hydrogen fuel cells - battery exotics are not necessary, it's more costly to the environment than helpful.
It was a nice try and led to major price / profit boost but leases on these cars and Ferrari will be dying upon exits. I don't think people will pay Ferrari financial 9% and lose money more than once. LE's are a special category but even then hybrid for whatever reason is not being accepted. Hope I am wrong but tariff interest rates and hybrid are a bad recipe - people are spending money on the older not the newer at a faster higher rate.

 

Got close with the ZR1X..probably room for improvement.

 

those times are nowhere near what everyone had expected

 

They left some time on the table as those laptimes were posted by GM engineers and not a pro race car driver.
Chet

 

and the Zora will be the light weight version....with 1500HP.

Zr1 and Zr1X are now on the list of the top 10 fastest production cars on the ring. Ferrari has zero cars on that list. WTF
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a65553563/chevrolet-corvette-zr1x-nurburgring/

 

I think it’s too much FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt). Hybrid battery failure almost exclusively occurs from unused cars not plugged in. How many miles were put on those La Ferraris? How many weren’t plugged in properly? There is a long history of reliability with hybrids and it’s much better than fully electric cars.

 

296 Speciale at Fiorano was 2.5% faster than GTB. GTB did a 6:58 at Nurburgring so extrapolating a 6:48 for the speciale.

 

I believe the 6:58 is done via a magazine that runs the shorter track configuration. However, I believe the Speciale should be quicker as well.

 

I think the carbon accentuates the winglets at the top better and makes the whole rear a bit more open and unique looking, I think its the carbon version for me.

 

Agree!

 

918 La P1 - they all increased heavily at resale - while regular models tanked.
The only explanation is reality - the above cars are 10 year old and replacements have been as expected
Battery repairs are very simple very low cost - Tesla and other batteries, there are stores franchises making these repairs in a few hours / while you wait.
IMO - it's more about what Ferrari and others charged for the hybrid - Tesla an extra battery is 10k. Going from two to three is 10k.
It's a lot simpler, Vette will prove this to the world, imo ... was a chance for exotic factories to make ridiculous amounts of money,
We aren't talking AMG1 F80 Valhalla ... simplyintegrating a battery into a car - it's just not a big deal or a big cost. Battery tech is extremely simple - just like a big car battery


https://evcentral.com.au/secrets-of-the-electric-ferrari-sf90-stradale/