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  1. Nembo1777

    Nembo1777 F1 World Champ

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  2. DF1

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  3. Jeronimo GTO

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  4. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    I have faith...............that I will have faith NEXT YEAR after next too LOL :)
     
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  5. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    These days, 2 cars finishing in the points or one on the podium at GPs seems a good result for Ferrari.
    Finishing 2nd or 3rd in the WCC is also achievable for the Scuderia.
    Beyond that, aiming at a title (WDC or WCC) has appeared beyond reach over the years.
    It's a team with high expectations, but little satisfaction. New teams have done a better job.
     
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  6. andreaguthrie

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    Nice to see some consistency. He has done a better job than Binotto and still has plenty to offer Ferrari.
     
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  7. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    I dont sense any Corporate panic either. WEC success and the odd F1 podium for the Luxury Brand. Its racing, makes positive news and money flows. A title is nice as well but they will not worry much at the Elkann level at all. Why should they.............
     
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  8. HotShoe

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    Oh, the Lewis fans are going nuts! They wanted Fred and Adami’s head. It’s all their fault you know ;)

    Happy they stood by Vasseur. He would have made an easy scapegoat but I don’t think the current mess is anyone’s fault but Elkhan’s.

    Hopefully they can somehow find a new young driving talent soon to build for a future WDC and not just merch sales.
     
  9. Spet00

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    Leclerc on Sky Sport Italia "You had to face the dominant run of Verstappen, and now one between Norris and Piastri will be F1 champion before you. How do you live with that?" "But I drive for Ferrari, it means a lot" "Does it mean more?" "Definitely."

    https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1me85h3/leclerc_on_sky_sport_italia_you_had_to_face_the/

    I respect the loyalty to SF, but that's the statement of a driver who's either fallen victim of Ferrari's insane PR wall of fire, or have lost his hunger for winning. Driving for Ferrari means more than winning championships? That's not the mentality of a future WDC/WCC champion.
     
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  10. JWeiss

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    How else should he answer such a belligerent question?
     
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  11. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Probably among the 3 or 4 best drivers on the grid, IMO, Charles Leclerc made his choice.
    He prefers blind devotion to Ferrari against success in a different team.
    His career, so far, is punctuated with brilliant one-off performances with no tomorrow.
     
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  12. jcurry

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    Up to this point there has not been an opportunity to switch to another team that offers any better chance of success than staying the course at Ferrari. Until 2026 plays out if is a crapshoot over who will have the next dominant car.

    I won't fault him on his loyalty to Ferrari. It's his choice, and there is some honor in it.
     
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  13. william

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    Come on !!! This is Leclerc's 7th year with Ferrari, and by now he must have figured everything about the team.
    There have been several opportunities for him to swith to another team.
    There was a time Toto Wolff had him on his wish list to replace Bottas, for example.
    Also, I suspect Horner would have welcomed him to replace Perez.
    Honour and loyalty are misplaced in the 21st century; just look how Ferrari ditched Sainz !!
     
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  14. Giallo 550

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    Hasn’t honor and loyalty to Ferrari been historically misplaced considering how many drivers left on poor terms?
     
  15. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Charles has learned zero with what happend to Vettel and FA. Just another fast driver with a win or 2 / podiums and no title.

    Charles Leclerc’s 27 pole positions scrutinised - is awful record his fault?
    A deep dive into Charles Leclerc's shocking pole conversion rate in F1
    - https://www.crash.net/f1/feature/1078883/1/charles-leclercs-awful-f1-pole-conversion-rate-his-own-fault

    --The verdict
    Five races were down to Leclerc’s own mistakes or defeats in wheel-to-wheel combat, but 17 were not.

    More often than not, it was Ferrari’s poor reliability and pit wall decisions that cost him, with a consistent lack of race pace compared to Red Bull and Verstappen also playing a major role.--
     
  16. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Most of us know this stat about Leclerc. It's unfortunate.

    I would ask Leclerc if I was a journo: "Leclerc, 7 years with Ferrari and no WDC title in sight.....how does it feel for you that Piastri or Lando will get to win a WDC title for either driver with less time in Mclaren?"
     
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    Binning 5 races from pole on your own is bad enough, but at what point do we blame the race pace on Charles? Being ultra fast in quali is great but it doesn't account for much if you aren't fast in the race. So easy to put blame on the car, yet he proved the car was capable of being faster than everyone 27 times and yet just 5 times it was good enough to win the race? One of which was the worst race in history - Monaco 2024.

    I lived through all the painful bad strategy calls and blunders Ferrari did when Leclerc was leading, but sometimes his race pace just doesn't match his quali and I wonder if it's Leclerc's style or his choice of setup.

    Senna chased the fastest setup for the fastest lap time and it meant a load of poles and yet he lost a lot of races from pole too.
     
  18. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Both Mclaren drivers are junior to him as well...................
     
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  19. william

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    In comparison, his team mate Alain Prost wasn't so focussed on Pole, but fastidious about finding the best setup for the race. Very often Prost could maintain a high pace over the distance.
     
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  20. SS454

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    And it delivered Prost 4 championships despite not being the fastest guy out there. People always forget that he scored more points than Senna in 1988 too.
     
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  21. Giallo 550

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    I blame the car. He’s won Monza twice, Monaco, and Spa. He would have won Singapore and Silverstone if his wins weren’t gifted to his teammates. The Singapore win would have made him the first driver since Jim Clark to win his first three GPs all in a row. If the car has the pace, he can perform as well as anyone. That said, his allegiance will likely cost him.
     
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  22. Jeronimo GTO

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    #447 Jeronimo GTO, Aug 4, 2025 at 3:47 PM
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    This.

    Leclerc has 101 more race starts than Piastri, whose 60th Grand Prix was just last Sunday — and yet Oscar already has a genuine shot at the title this year. :eek:

    Charles: 8 wins in 161 races.
    Oscar: 8 wins in 60 races.

    Let that sink in.
     
  23. mdrums

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    Just checking in today to see if we've solved Ferrari's F1 problems yet?
     
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  24. JWeiss

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    Not yet. And we haven’t found Leclerc a better seat yet, either.
     
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    Or team mate
     
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