Speciale --> Pista --> Speciale

Well apparently your inner-self agrees, as you have on your Profile page:

Wanted Cars: Speciale

Or did you forget that?

 

Good to know you’re not blind. Thanks for clarification. On a small scale like this where we are talking about a handful of cars, the Ferrari dealers are way more trustworthy and representative of the market than the wider market which is being heavily manipulated by specific dealerships to drive the price of certain models up because they’ve taken a strong position on them. Namely the pista and speciale.

 

sick point! You really busted up my argument which had absolutely nothing to do with how I feel about the speciale nor did I have one negative thing to say about it. I simply said I felt the pista was on a similar trajectory and will hit a similar price point down the line. Maybe its not your eyes we should be worried about brainiac.

 

Disagree. More data points result in a more statistically significant number.

 

Maybe your brain is clouded by all the pot smoke in CA/NY.

 

Wow! Your comedic sensibilities are clearly as sharp as your automotive knowledge. Again, you have one dealership listing the majority of speciales and pistas for sale in the US and the prices are HEAVILY inflated.

 

The pot statement is not comedy, it's fact.

Ferrari Ft Lauderdale have sold three Speciales for $850-$900k range and predict will hit $1M in 2026. Call them and ask for yourself.

 

No thanks. No need to call hard money lenders running a scam in Ft Lauderdale. The most trusted exotic market in the world. . But feel free to buy from them all day.

And its “fact” that everyone in California and NY are walking around with contact high from all the pot smoking? Well I guess at least we have an excuse for our stupidity. What’s yours?

 

If I'm stupid, and Ft Lauderdale are scammers, why is the Speciale I bought from them in 2015 for $350k now worth $850-900k?

 

Congra

congratulations. You’re very rich. Now go buy a science book with your profits and learn how second hand smoke and contact high works.

 

You assumed incorrectly that I meant second hand smoke. I meant active first-hand smokers.

Approximately 37% of adult Californians are current marijuana users, meaning they have used it within the past three months, according to a 2023 study by UC San Diego.

https://today.ucsd.edu/story/survey-a-third-of-californians-use-cannabis-but-many-dont-know-the-risks

 

In Europe, currently Pista tend to be more expensive than Speciale (not by much though), both being around €400K.
Markets are different, but this seems to tell that there are no objective price points for cars that are not utilitarian.

 

Not that it matters because the marijuana comment in general is so boneheaded, and has 0.0 to do with any of this, but 50% of all Americans have tried MaraJuana at some point. So to draw the conclusion and generalize all Californians as stoners is so telling. You really REALLLY need to sell that speciale, take the profits and buy some books hombre.

 

LOL. All I was saying. That Pistas and speciales may be close in price at some point. Not sure what’s so controversial but hey, here we are.

 

The prices will be whatever thay are.

But the Pista is far more fun to drive. The Speciale had its day, but it is not as exciting to drive. Lack of touque is dull.

 

No, you were saying current price disparity in US between Speciale/Pista is currently only $100k, and that's incorrect. That data proves it.

What LVP488 is saying is Speciale/Pista price disparity in Europe currently leans toward Pista, but not by much, and that's correct.

 

You are suggesting I sell a Speciale and use the $900k to buy books about the second hand effects of pot smoke. That's absurd. Do you see now why I think you suffer from cannabis psychosis, which is a recognized medical condition, HOMBRE?!

 

if you take a top pista coupe with 1500 miles and compare it to a speciale with the same miles, then yes, the delta is around 100. Pista is skewed by a bunch of dogs and high mile cars. but apples to apples, they are way closer. also, you cant compare asking prices to actual transactions in my opinion. and i know of a bunch of Pista coupes trading above 700 in actual transactions. and i also know a few Speciales in the 800s. so id have to lean on the delta being around 100 not 250 in the USA.

 

Exactly. And for the last 5+ years, I have been posting on this thread what Speciale/Pista prices ARE, at each moment in time, not speculation about what they will be in the future. Current market data are reality, future speculation is opinion.

But unfortunately some people don't understand the difference between reality and opinion.

 

Where's your data to prove this?

 

It is interesting to see how the rapidly the Pista market has run up the last 6 months. I expected the Speciale to, but the Pista is somewhat surprising. It’s a forced induction car and Ferrari made a million of them. I love mine and plan to keep it forever, so the value proposition is largely irrelevant, at least to me.

 

Did you watch the video? Data shows, in US, 458 Speciale prices up 28.9% over last year, versus 488 Pista prices up 11.4% for same period.

 

data? just go on any of the sites that sell these cars and compare cars with similar mileage/spec/colors instead of averaging a much more wide spread and diverse pool against another. if there were a few speciales even just 3 with 20-30k miles on them currently for sale your numbers would be off. also, the data you speak of is just asking prices, not actual transactions. so your data isn't really science either. and i dont need to get into a debate about this i dont care that much, all i am saying is i am in a car community in NY with many many owners of both cars and i know about actual transactions, which most of the real ones happening behind closed doors and not on the internet, and i can tell you i know enthusiasts paying into the 7's for a nice pista coupe, even higher for the one of one cars, and i know speciales getting into the 800s for the nicest, most unique lowest mile examples. but again, if you take a top pista spec with 1500 miles that car is NOT 250k less than a top Speciale spec with 1500 miles just like a crappy pista spec with 10k miles is also NOT 250k less than a ****ty Speciale Spec with 10k miles. there are just more Pista on the market today to mess with averages and help your point. i hope some of this makes sense to you i know how smart and reasonable you are.

 

Advertised prices are never transaction prices, we all know this. I have been watching this data for 5+ years now. There were snapshots when many/most of the Speciales on market had higher miles and crappy specs, and there were snapshots when many/most of the Pistas on market had higher miles and crappy specs. But over time, it all averages out. There are of course always notable exceptions for low-mile, nicely spec'd cars. We all know this as well. But it's not possible to track every single transaction by miles, spec (which is subjective by the way), etc. So we look at averages. I hope some of this makes sense to you I know how smart and reasonable you are.

 

............... ok let me just ask you a question and you can answer. if comparing apples to apples in the most accurate way possible. and you compare a 1500 mile loaded Pista coupe to a 1500 mile loaded Speciale coupe, is the delta 250k? and the same question for crappy stripper specs with 10k miles. when you compare apples to apples, what do you think the delta is?