SF90 Stradale Resale

If the PTU issues and how one can repair it in Indy shop without changing the whole thing is of any indication, the future is brighter than we hope. Otherwise, what you wrote could become true, and that will further hurt the values of these hybrid supercars.

 

PTU: You mean a gasket kit?
https://hollywoodmechanic.com/product/ferrari-ptu-repair-kit/
that's a very very long way from anything to do with high voltage parts...
that PTU repair kit is very simple idea to a simple engineering issue that is a great solution to a common problem but...

 

The end is unfortunately known, it's the day when maintenance and repair costs will be higher than the value of the car.. I bet that in 5 years, the car will be around 200k...maybe less

 

Considering Ferrari seems to be releasing more hybrids than not, I don't see why that wouldn't translate to more affordable hybrid maintenance. Are we expecting Ferrari to go away from electric all together?

 

@Dsald
Can you think of any Ferrari OEM maintenance item of any type that has become "more affordable" ?

The only "qualifier" I can recall of is the special LaF battery warranty product that came about years after troubles started with its KERS components, but, does a special warranty suffice as being "more affordable", perhaps.

If you go a-la-carte, nothing I can think of direct from Ferrari has become 'more affordable', let me know if have any examples thereof.

 

This is the correct analysis. And sadly, the reason why these cars will continue to fall - because they are untouchable out of warranty.

 

Engine out service on 355?
PTU replacement for FF?

Not sure if that is apples to apples for your question but they come to mind.

 

I meant that relative to new technology. Gross maintenance cost might not be cheaper, but the maintenance cost difference between non hybrid and hybrid should be less significant than it is today.

I am not much of a car guy, but my guess is that it was more expensive to maintain twin turbo cars when they first came out compared to naturally aspirated. I am still guessing, but I assume that difference slowly decreased over time.

 

cant wait to see the sf90 start to increase in value... Everyone is using the Hybrid to devalue the cars and the owners are giving them away... STOP giving away one of the best Ferrari's designed and built... The sf90 is one of the best cars ever IMHO. STOP the madness, the SF90 runs circles around the PISTA for how most of us drive them. Let's see the SF90 start to tick up in value. This should be a $1mm car

 

The Pista is valued on "exclusivity", not on performance.
The 296 also leaves the Pista for dead, and its price is even lower than that of the SF90 (of which it's not that far).
There is a market reluctance to accept hybrid from Ferrari; the 296s are currently priced similarly to F8s in spite of being in another league performance-wise.

 

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I feel that the hybrid technology gets blamed too much for the poor resale value. In my opinion it has more to do with the original price point compared to the amount produced.

The XX, F80, Laferrari, don't see any decrease in comparison to the non hybrid equivalent. The sf90 should have either been priced less, which would have been tough because of the 296 being released around the same time, or have less produced.

I don't necessarily blame Ferrari, 2020-2022 was a crazy car market. It's easy to look back now, but it didn’t seem necessary to limit production at the time.

 

Given how they charge(d) the car play when it has free everywhere, I won't hold my breath on it.

 

I believe that some here are pretending not to understand the situation; the market for the second and third buyers does not want hybrids, and they will neither have the desire nor the means to ruin themselves with all kinds of repairs...

 

That makes sense, the first buyer (buying new) in most cases does not plan to keep the car long enough to be worried about future potential issues. So a very complex car that would become a nightmare to maintain in the long term is not a concern. But it could become one as the second hand buyers, who are by definition planning to own older cars, drag the resale prices down because of the fears associated with these cars.

 

Another factor to throw in is that the 296 was released around the same time with a price point in between the two. I feel that the sf90 resales were hurt more by the 296 than the f8. You can argue that the 296 is the better car. They both happen to be hybrid, but in my opinion, if you take one away it completely changes the resale value for either one.

 

@Dsald

F8 reveal: March 2019

SF90 reveal: May 2019

296 reveal: June 2021

Agree that 296 negatively impacted SF90 re-sale prices.

 

My opinion: Nothing to worry about, that was a pretty pathetic effort by 'chat gpt' (just a data analyzer of whatever it has available), it should of been looking for window stickers images for base model pricing of the various model years not various random websites (ECH, wikip) ...etc

 

You get an 8 year hybrid warranty then it seems like you need to pay about $7k every two years to keep it going. I am guessing this is on top of the standard warranty package. That is still about 4 years away from a 2021 sf90. Is that really a huge deal killer on a $400k+ car?

 

A car buyer at 250k is not going to pay 12k per year for warranty (smoothing), in addition to maintenance costs that are going to become nightmarish due to the complexity of their cars. If you think otherwise, you are mistaken... especially since the enthusiastic second or third-hand buyer dreams of NA, not hybrid TT...

 

Last month, a Ferrari dealer offered me a 2021 or 2022 high-mileage (around 8,000 miles) Assetto Fiorano coupe, CPO, for $405k. I declined because I expect prices to drop further, and they weren’t offering as much for my Huracán as other dealers.

 

My dealer has one for sale and I'm a long time Ferrari customer. I asked about the SF 90, don't quote me but I think the battery program was $36,000 and it was limited duration. This is a problem because these cars get driven (+/-) 2,000 miles a year...maybe. $5 bucks a mile in battery warranty. If you have to ask the price, you can't afford it I suppose.

Still absurd.

What's the other deal killer, when speaking to the chief Ferrari mechanic, if there is a main battery issue detected the car just LEAVE YOU STRANDED. There isn't a limp mode to drive 50mph or something. The car becomes a brick.

No thanks.

 

If that price is correct, that is absurd. It doesn't make sense though, Ferrari keeps releasing hybrids and soon probably full electric. They are only hurting themselves if they are going to keep charging a ridiculous amount for warranty.

I am curious what Lamborghini, McLaren and Porsche are doing with hybrid warranties.