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355 5.2 No Start Issue

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  1. USAF - 1

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    After 9 months of resealing/restoring the engine/engine bay, replacing the clutch, etc., I have a no start issue. Here's some important background. I was having intermittent, slight misfires when hot, and a CEL related to low voltage on an O2 sensor. It turns out that a previous owner had messed with ECU wiring harness and connectors. Initially I only discovered the bad O2 connector crimps, but was still having issues and reviewed the service records, finding that a PO had attempted to install the gold connector kit. I then pulled off the boots on the ECU harness and found 50% or more of the crimps were done so poorly, the wire pulled out of the connector easily by hand. I then looked at the main connector to the ECU, and it was done just as poorly, but the PO had used "liquid electrical tape" to try to prevent any shorts from occurring as he had left bare wire exposed at the end of the connectors. I couldn't remove the wiring from the ECU connector, and so I ordered a new harness, as this thing was such a mess at this point, it wasn't worth dealing with. Image Unavailable, Please Login
    With everything reinstalled again, the car will not fire, but will crank. It will not give an indication that it will or start quickly then suddenly and die. Here's what I have done so far in trouble shooting after reading no start issues. When key is in position 2, proper lights appear, CEL, brake, slow, down, etc. Immobilizer turns the LED off upon hitting the button, but upon cranking it is solid red.

    1. Fuel pump seems to be okay, I measured the draw upon crank and there is a short amp spike which appears to be consistent with the pump priming. There appears to be pressure at the fuel filter in checking the relief valve, although I have not checked the actual pressure.

    2. I measured 12v at the injector connectors, but using a noid light, it does not blink when cranking.

    3. Swapped crank sensor just in case with a new one I already had. No difference.

    4. I double-checked the ECU wiring diagram with the connectors on the new harness for continuity, and there does not seem to be a problem; I get continuity.

    5. Checked ECU ground to battery, chassis ground to battery. Seems ok.

    6. Camshaft sensor and knock sensors are brand new.

    Am I missing something? This seems like an ECU issue rather than a fuel issue, but I defer to the experts here.

    Todd
     
  2. Qavion

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    Weird.
    On my gated 5.2, I don't get cranking if the immobiliser has not disarmed. Do you have a starter relay? If you do, then yours may be the same as mine, suggesting the immobiliser is (partly) ok. The immo disable signal still has to go to the Motronic ECU.
    I know when I put a new engine harness in mine, it was wired incorrectly from the factory. I was working with my local indy and he let me do some wiring checks while he worked on another customer's car. I found some brown wires swapped over, but even after I swapped them back, he still had to reset something in the Immo ECU with his SD1 tool.


    With cranking, the current should be constant. There is a 2 second prime (even with the Immobiliser active), but it only happens once, then the car has to be started before the priming circuit resets (Not even a battery reset will reset it).

    Just make sure you didn't swap over the plugs for these. That will stop firing. The cam plug is usually blue, but I'm not sure if you can rely on plug colour.
     
  3. USAF - 1

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    Mine is 98 manual, just to be clear, similar to yours with a starter relay. My car will not crank unless immobilized like yours.

    I will check the fuel pump current again.

    Re the brown wires - This is interesting, which wires were swapped over? What needs to be reset in the immobilizer ECU?

    You might have received the same harness without any colored connectors, like I did. I replaced all those all-black (and unsealed) connectors with either brand new colored connectors or, if not available, such as the blue 3-prong connector, I used the connector from the old harness and swapped out the seal from the new one so that it would be easier to identify in the future. I believe the blue connector was the only one I could not find a replacement for.

    I did check the wiring on the blue cam sensor, crank sensor, knock sensors, idle sensor, injectors and coils, just to be sure and I get continuity. Have you updated your chart recently? I have version 35.

    Any other thoughts here?

    Thanks very much for your help!

    Todd
     
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  4. USAF - 1

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    I went back and looked at your chart and saw that pins 8/9 on connector 41090 are in fact swapped on the new harness like you said. Wild. Swapped them, and it fired right up. Amazing sir, you rock!

    Todd
     
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    Nice
    Ian is the wiring god
     
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    Excellent. Same wires, I recall. I did think at the time that maybe my car had been wired the wrong way (not the new harness). I told Ferrari about it, but got no response. Thanks for the confirmation that it was the new harness. My tech spent quite a hours trying to figure out what was wrong and the diagnostic bills were pretty high.

    Non-F1 engine diagram here... Still at #35, but I may have made some changes without changing the number:

    https://www.dropbox.com/t/ynaCqtvIzMmMqYBW

    With matching power diagram (non-F1):

    https://www.dropbox.com/t/GkDYkFdpmMuR3TSc
     
  7. USAF - 1

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    Ran it to temp to allow the fans to kick in, ran perfectly, no issues at all. No CEL. I am hopeful this new harness solves all of the gremlins this car had. Ian's answer saved me hours and hours - thank you again!
     
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    I have a few spare parts if you ever need then Ian
     
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    LOL.... I'll accept half of whatever discount you get from Ferrari for selling a faulty product (I got zero for my faulty new harness) :rolleyes:
     
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    Ian, I noticed that on your diagram Ver 6 the wires 8 & 9 of the connector 41090 are swapped as compared to what you show on Ver 31 of the same diagram. It appears that the new wiring harnesses were made following what you showed on Ver 6.

    Based on what original diagram did you produce your Ver 6? Is it possible that there was a "wrong" version of this diagram from Ferrari or was there a change at some point, or is there a difference depending on the market?

    I attach both versions.
     

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  12. Qavion

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    All the original Ferrari wiring diagrams I've found show the wire in the same positions as in my early diagrams. I recall I changed my diagrams when I found my '98 car didn't match the OEM diagrams. The original diagrams I've seen are marked 1997, so they are early 5.2's.

    It's possible earlier cars are different, but, TBH, I think all the 5.2 OEM wiring diagrams are wrong. On the ECU, the number "10" is shown in the 11th pin position and all numbers thereafter are wrong.

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    The Ferrari 550 OEM diagram has the same incorrect numbering.
     
  13. m.stojanovic

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    So, it is possible that the new 355 harness manufacturer just followed the Ferrari diagram (which is incorrect with regard to wires 8 & 9 of the connector 41090). I wouldn't blame the harness manufacturer if that was the case.

    Anyhow, you made a very good discovery here.
     
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