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  1. Jeronimo GTO

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    Due to overwhelming popular demand:

    1. Juan Manuel FANGIO 24 wins 47.06% win rate
    2. Alberto ASCARI 13 wins 40.63% win rate
    3. Jim CLARK 25 wins 34.72% win rate
    4. Michael SCHUMACHER 91 wins 29.64% win rate
    5. Max VERSTAPPEN 65 wins 29.02% win rate
    6. Lewis HAMILTON 105 wins 28.30% win rate
    7. Jackie STEWART 27 wins 27.27% win rate
    8. Alain PROST 51 wins 25.63% win rate
    9. Ayrton SENNA 41 wins 25.47% win rate
    10. Stirling MOSS 16 wins 24.24% win rate
     
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  2. Temerian

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    Where is Lauda? I thought he would make it. Anyway, this is more fun than watching the current Scuderia’s season!
     
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  3. Jeronimo GTO

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    ...

    (Pat FLAHERTY 1 win 20.00% win rate - not included due to too small a sample size)
    (Bob SWEIKERT 1 win 20.00% win rate - not included due to too small a sample size)
    11. Damon HILL 22 wins 19.13% win rate
    12. Sebastian VETTEL 53 wins 17.73% win rate
    13. Nigel MANSELL 31 wins 16.58% win rate
    14. Tony BROOKS 6 wins 15.79% win rate
    15. Giuseppe FARINA 5 wins 15.15% win rate
    16. Oscar PIASTRI 9 wins 14.75% win rate
    17. Niki LAUDA 25 wins 14.62% win rate
     
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  4. Jack-the-lad

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    The thread has been merged.
     
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  5. spirot

    spirot F1 World Champ

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    This is the list of the GOAT's... That the top 3 have been dead for decades is amazing. ( Think Fangio Passed in the 90's) regardless not only did he win almost 50% of races he entered... he did it when Racing was lethal at all times, and on tracks that were deadly at 40 mph, let alone at 160mph.

    both Verstappen and Hamilton's ratio's are artificially high because of the large number of races each year... I get the percentages, but if you have more opportunity to race in the dominant car... this is the outcome. Fangio almost always had the dominant car of the era, but he also won in every team he raced. Maserati, Alfa, Ferrari and Mercedes.

    Jackie Stewart's ratio is to me even more impressive as he came up in the 2nd most lethal era, and survived, as well as racing cars that were genuine 200mph capable cars. He also raced on many of the same tracks as Fangio did, under similar conditions - No safety etc, but in cars that were much faster and harder to control. As he is the oldest living world Champion I feel he is greatly under appreciated.
     
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  6. william

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    I added the number of constructors each driver took to victory, as well as their titles to have a complete picture.

    I thought Fangio was exceptional for winning with 4 different teams, to find that Stewart and Prost did the same.
    But the uncrowned Stirling Moss took 5 different constructors to victory. That denotes some adaptability !

    1. Juan Manuel FANGIO 24 wins 47.06% win rate with 4 different constructors. 5 titles.
    2. Alberto ASCARI 13 wins 40.63% win rate with 1 constructor. 2 titles.
    3. Jim CLARK 25 wins 34.72% win rate with 1 constructor. 2 titles.
    4. Michael SCHUMACHER 91 wins 29.64% win rate with 2 constructors. 7 titles.
    5. Max VERSTAPPEN 65 wins 29.02% win rate with 1 constructor. 4 titles.
    6. Lewis HAMILTON 105 wins 28.30% win rate with 2 different constructors. 7 titles.
    7. Jackie STEWART 27 wins 27.27% win rate with 4 different constructors. 3 titles.
    8. Alain PROST 51 wins 25.63% win rate with 4 different constructors. 4 titles.
    9. Ayrton SENNA 41 wins 25.47% win rate with 2 different constructors. 3 titles.
    10. Stirling MOSS 16 wins 24.24% win rate with 5 different constructors. NO title.
     
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  7. fatbillybob

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    Another thing about fangio is his reign was during the years if you made a mistake you died. In LH time no one dies unless something weird happens like the guy who hit the big truck in the rain. Today racing is like a video game reset after you crash. We are even seeing increase contact in amateurs because the consequences are few.
     
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  8. stever

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    How do you feel about the lack of racecraft in amateur racing?
    Does that lack of car control foreshadow even more 'bumper car' racing in the pros?
     
  9. fatbillybob

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    yes I think so but what will happen is stewards will decide more races to the dismay of fans. As racing becomes sanitized I think viewership will fall off while general disinterest in cars and driving will kill off motor racing.
     
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  10. william

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    Generation Z and the next one won't be so interested in cars, I feel. At least on this side of the pond (Europe) where the emphasis is put on cheap and convenient public transports. If I judge by my sons and grandsons, none of them is passionate about cars, which for them are just "appliances". As for motor racing, they consider it "brutal" and noisy.
     
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  11. spirot

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    I think Senna raced for 4 constructors - Toleman, Lotus, McLaren and Williams....
    Stewart really raced for 2 constructors - BRM and Tyrrell... Matra International was really Ken Tyrrell ( but we can call it a separate constructor.)
     
  12. spirot

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    what a pity!
     
  13. spirot

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    Racecraft is terrible in lower categories. Starting in Karting. the whole you are not a racing drivers if you dont go for a gap crap has ruined racing. there is no code any more, its just dive in and give it a go. too much hitting each other, to many banzi dives... not enough respect. Its much like regular society.

    Its not a lack of car control... there are still just as many amazing drivers, its the etiquette of driving that has gone down... there is competition with respect, and then outright win at all cost... even for a plastic trophy.
     
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    Is this going to turn into the Lance Stroll thread where people brag about FP1 performances?
     
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    The Lewis & Lance Show, the two most popular drivers on Fchat.
     
  17. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Senna raced, but didn't win GPs for Toleman.

    Stewart won GPs for BRM, Matra, March and Tyrrell.
    Matra International was run by Ken Tyrrell with Matra factory chassis and Cosworth engines.
    The World Constructor Championship was attributed to Matra in 1969.
    Ken Tyrrell used March chassis the following year and became constructor in 1971.
     
  18. Giallo 550

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    Your knowledge of this sport is nothing short of encyclopedic.
     
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  19. 375+

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    Old guys rule(myself included).
     
  20. jgonzalesm6

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    Him, @375+ @DeSoto, @spirot, and @Gatorrari are some people with some "encyclopedic" knowledge as well if I may add.
     
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    I cant remember where I parked my car...
     
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    Lol
     
  23. LVP488

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    Senna finished second (to Prost) with Toleman at the 1984 Monaco GP - playing with "if" is usually controversial, but had the GP not been interrupted by Jacky Ickx, it's very likely that Senna would have beaten Prost and the McLaren with his modest Toleman (the heavy rain wiping out the McLaren's advantage).
    This GP was a total carnage with many drivers crashing - Prost was cautious enough to stay on the track, but Senna had a magical drive.
     
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  24. spirot

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    Either F1 is actually fixed or this was the annual Let Ferrari have some press on the first day... not really sure any more.
     

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