Ferrari 849 Testarossa Styling

This car for me is a step up in terms of performance. Im lucky to have the F8 spider. I think the new testarossa shares a lot of styling with the F80 and has an amazing performance package, to boot.

I was intending to get the V12 cilindri but didnt care for some of the styling both exterior and interior. I didnt care for the dual cockpit design Nor did i like that soul-less ipad center screen. And yes I like the dedicated START button, which is no longer found jn the 12 cilindri.

And in spite of the V12 character and sound, the heavier mass of the car meant that there wasnt much of a performance improvement over the F8.

So that why Im all in for the New Testarossa spider.
Noe ive just gotta get an allocation.

 

Looks good to me.. I am ordering it.. My local dealer says within two weeks i can order it. Of course it would be a spider.
Currently i have f8 spider and 296 gts,, This is different league.

 

Maybe I am biased, but I just don't see much of a reason of buying this over an sf90 which is pretty much half the price at this point.

 

I think it looks bad ass. Exotic. Mean. Very Ferrari, but a new look.

It will grow on many of us.

I'd still do naughty, reprehensible things to have modern side strakes. Sigh.

 

What about the Roma Spider? It’s absolutely beautiful.

 

Roma is no longer current. They facelifted it and imo it was a downgrade.

 

Ony a few days in - seen XX 2.0 renderings and if this car was designed for the XX, it's going to be special. Will order the AF Spider, if there is an XX it will be 3 - 4 years.
Fingers crossed this is a trend, it's early but that's the reality.
Surprised new engine / new massive turbo - this isn't producing more hp, saving up for the XX.

 

Mamma Mia! Che Bella Macchina (Nuovo Testarossa)

 

Has anyone commented on the interior? Looks like Ferrari is paying homage to a Corvette with that center bridge.
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This design gives ALOT for the XX to work with, aesthetically and mechanically.

 

Perhaps do a driver focused color Mono-Posti style:
Maybe do the Ferrari blue on the drivers floating bridge, and blue on the middle stripe of the drivers door panel, and the drivers seat.too.

Keep the Passenger side in a background color say Nero ; for the seat, dash, and door.

 

But that philosophy is unusually arrogant if true. I was a potential buyer….until I wasn’t. So they don’t care that the other prior owners or interested buyers think it is a terrible design or are leaving the brand after years of buying??? I don’t think so.

 

Is it arrogant? I'm not sure. Such a highly emotional product cannot always satisfy all tastes. The range of different tastes is enormous, Ferrari has to make decisions. Ultimately, it is the market, i.e. sales figures, that determines whether the design was right or not.

I also left Ferrari and switched to McLaren. There I bought a car that I thought was absolutely ugly when it first came out. But after four years of production, I saw the same product in a completely different light and bought it.

As I said, Ferrari has to make decisions, and sometimes they work out for you and sometimes they don't.
Despite everything, Ferrari has my utmost respect. This is because they are constantly changing and developing; they do not rest on their iconic products. It seems to me that their success proves them right.

 

So you insult the actual buyers who literally make the company viable but agree with foul language and insults from keyboard warriors with no skin in the game?

Design, aesthetics is purely subjective, if you were to introduce me to your girlfriend whom you are in love with would you dump her if I told you she’s ugly and not my type? How about if all the keyboard warriors online would tell you so? How does that even make sense to you? We are only talking looks so far, of course everyone has an opinion on looks how ever wrong (to you and I they might be) and I accept that, what I don’t accept is abuse and intolerance, acceptance for one’s likes or dislikes, if you don’t like something just move on without abusing or insulting those who share the opposite view.

I understand exactly what you are coming from, passion is in the soul of many and those keep the torch lit so it can keep on being carried forward but those true passionate people would not express themselves in the same manner irrelevant basement dwellers are currently behaving when it comes to anything not just Ferrari.

The ultimate patrons are the ones who pay for stuff to keep the lights on, imagine you being starving and me coming to just cheer you up with positive vibes and thoughts without feeding you LOL you tend to have some socialistic/idealistic views on things, yes those things warm your heart and make you feel all cozy inside but you got to eat my friend, dreams and aspirations aren’t going to feed a hungry mouth.

I think you could phrase that better and perhaps remove the insults directed to actual paying customers LOL

 

Well, one thing is what we say at the pub "among friends" and the other what you say in public.

I wouldn´t get into Manzoni´s Instagram to chew him out. At worst, maybe a "polite and constructive critique". Here I can take more liberties because I´m at the bar and even then with some caution because bar brawls are not a rare occurrence. But most people just doesn´t understand that.

 

But what if you knew how to gather and prepare food - and everyone knew that you know, because you've done it before. Actually, you've done it for decades and decades, and some would even say you were the best, most admired food gatherer around. However, now you can't be bothered anymore, because why waste energy when people keep feeding you anyway, if only you perform a trick or two for them.

 

It took such a long paragraph to express that you didn’t get the metaphor I was using?

 

The front spoiler design reminds me of this:

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You could do some serious plowing with the spoiler design!

 

Between SF90 Chevy brake lights and this - yes Ferrari shipped in Chevy products to Maranello and thought what can we take from these cars and charge 3x the price.

This will end like TR - 512M and smart / fun money would pick up old TR and have a pair of TR's or even better a pair 512M's. Final model versions more than make up the loss of the first gen street version - history will repeat itself.
SF90AF Spider best looking modern rear engine Ferrari, presence and performance are top shelf.

 

Cambiato il ordine. Molto felice!

 

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I see that differently. It's functional to aid in the rigidity of the frame is it not? I'm not a fan of it either, but I understand its need.

 

@jm2, from the first moment I saw the car, the proportions seemed odd to me. Not necessarily bad, but strange. As I've studied it more, I've developed some theories. I'd love to hear from an expert if those theories hold any water.

1. The back of the car appears a bit stubby to me. I think this may be caused by the vertical black bar, which visually separates the car's tail from its body. Is that right? Or is something else going on.
2. On the other end, I get the impression of a very long front overhang. I'd imagine this is caused by the very square front end, which results in extra length in the front fenders before they begin to bend to form a nose. Does that seem right?
3. Does the black bar on the nose further amplify the sense of a long overhang?

 

Being one of those clamoring for the return of Pininfarina, I think you're spot on here. We're all getting older, and things change. Deep down, I'm probably just a little upset that Ferrari didn't send me the memo about a new direction for their design language. I don't play in that league so I'm rightly irrelevant to them.

There was a quote somewhere, maybe even buy Enzo Ferrari himself that said "I make cars for young men that only old men can afford." The global financial paradigm has shifted to where younger men can afford these cars, and as such, a Ferrari as a "beautiful car" is a design directive left in the 20th century.

I toured the design studio when Ferrari invited me to see the La Ferrari more than a decade ago, it's seriously impressive with historical car drawings all over the walls. Beauty is subjective I suppose, but they kind of left me struggling for answers with the 812, which is impressive, but also looks like they couldn't put their pencils down, more vents here, a couple more angles there.

Fortunate problems and debates to have in the first place.

 

Not sure what defines an 'expert' as our Jerry (Anunakki) might have issues with the terminology, let's talk about the car. And

HOWEVER, my all consuming caveat is to never try to analyze a design without seeing it in the metal. Period.
And as an additional disclaimer, every car designer would probably do something a bit differently with the 849 design. That's the 'curse of the designer' as i refer to it.

In my former life we would spend 2-3 years talking clay models outside for evaluating in natural light and from a distance. Many people like to get too close to the subject and it's difficult to make a judgement without standing from a distance and examining a car. The ultimate test of course is to see it moving and in traffic, but that's a condition we aren't able to experience in this case.

One has to walk around a car to appreciate the design as it's not 2 dimensional but rather a 3 dimensional object/sculpture. But having said all that, take whatever I say with a grain of salt as it's just one person's opinion.

So to your questions:
1. Look at a photo of the original Boxer from the '70's. Long front end, short rear. The 308 less so. That was the 'look' at the time for mid engined cars with long noses and truncated rears. Aero plays a part in that Kamm-back truncated rear look. The front engined cars sometimes were just the opposite, the extreme example being the 365 GT 2+2.
So in the case of the 849, yes the front length is biased over a shorter rear. To your point, the black vertical element on the side exacerbates the shorter rear look. Good or bad? You decide. My own personal preferences lean towards a short nose and a longer rear; 917 Long Tail anyone? But there's no right answer here. And we have no way of knowing the packaging requirements and the aero targets. All play a major rolele in defining the architecture.

2. Quite frankly I'm a bit surprised at the lack of 'plan view' on the front end. From above it would appear that it's blunt to a fault. Im sure there was/is a reason for the flat face, but we're not privy to that information. Could be packaging, Ped Pro, Aero, or ?? The square corners certainly stand out.

3. My own personal opinion is that i'm not as obsessed about the black bar as many appear to be. It's part of the design. Would I have done something differently? Probably, but remember, every part of the design is there for a reason. There are no 'accidents' with a production car design. Someone thought it looked good given the constraints. And up and down the line, Senior management along with the Centro Style design staff approved it.

I wish I could have seen the car in the metal before talking about it, but here we are. Just my opinion.
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