Ferrari 849 Testarossa Styling

Definitely would love to know also I agree with you also….over a F80

 

They stopped having to sell their cars over a decade ago - there is no driving video no seat time reviews and all deposits will be made.
The only thing they have to be concerned - residuals - leasing these cars with heavy depreciation could be detrimental, add people walking from deposits.
I will lose 200+ on SF90 and lost 150 on 296 ... owners and the factory should worry about pricing, looks wise they sell out before anything is proven, people spend 10k plus just to attend the debut.
VIPs will never lose their place in line - they are heavily rewarded, it's the ones who get burnt and dealers holding depreciating inventory. Cars depreciating at 10 - 20k per month much like catching a falling knife. Design wise - it's personal a good spec or bad spec is as much influence as the the design. The older Ferrari's rarely had stripes and aged much better - almost everything is over designed these days - there is a lot of money in how many boxes are ticked.

 

Love the Monoposto interior design

 

You nailed it, that’s where he goes wrong, by not designing the cars with faces robs them of personality, what a terrible take, I hope he changes his mind on future models.

 

If you haven’t seen it yet in person wait until you do because photos don’t do justice, the vertical stripe has a 3D element to it which seems to be lost in photos, it “squeezes” the rear end away from the front and gives volume and definition to the rear quarter panel section, from that point the rear section visually seemed arched up giving the whole rear a pouncing forward stance, quite difficult to see in photos when viewed direct on from the side profile but if you look along the side of the car towards the rear that element makes sense or a lot more sense if you still dislike lit.

 

Guess Aero-centric design isn't important - it's just taken them to "top" tier performance.
The F12 rear end - unpleasant and FF Lusso even worse.
Not sure what era you all are looking for - it's a SF90 based - Testarossa with a Monza lifted rear.
12Ci / 849 - imo good pair and can't wait to see the track versions.

 

there are better solutions than shoving two half dinner plates under the headlights and make them stick out like two sore thumbs, I’ve seen the car in the flesh just wait until you see it and if you still like the solution he has came up then more power to you, o me the job of a designer is to beautify engineering requirements not just plonk random unsightly design elements on the front of a piece of art.
If that happens the designer failed at his job. As I said aside of that the car to me is perfect.

 

The problem with this argument is that designers who design what they think their customers want today invariably fail to get a significant result. They end up with a derivative, unimaginative design that ultimately is forgotten. Ferrari have rarely done that. The old Henry Ford quote that everyone knows is true; “if I asked what my customers wanted, they would say a faster horse…”. Designers have to design what customers will want in the future. Which means they have to lead because new design ideas influence our developing tastes. I loved the F430 when it came out. I couldn’t afford Ferraris then but I hoped to one day and loved the brand. Nowadays, I think it is one of the weakest Ferrari designs of this century and I think LDM did too because when Pininfarina proposed its replacement, an extension of the same theme with side top-mounted vents, he rejected it. We then got the beautiful, sculpted-look 458. Pininfarina were being lazy by developing an existing theme but LDM had enough sense that something different was required. How right he was. Still today that car looks like a classic. It was criticised, like most every other new Ferrari, at its launch. It is not what customers would have said they wanted, but it turned out to be what they actually loved.

The ‘no face’ thing might be a bit overplayed too. I know he has said that, but if he really means it he has to find a way to not place headlights halfway up and at either side. Whilst ever you have that, you have a face of some sort.

My first thought about this car was not really positive. Friends tell me that it is much better in the flesh, the launch event reception was overwhelmingly positive (I couldn’t attend). That was certainly my experience with the F80. I have warmed to it quite a bit in the last few days but I have to see it to really know. I prefer the AF stripe to the ‘anchor’ version of the SF90 and in general, the matte grey launch AF car looks good to me. The yellow and red versions less so. Perhaps it’s because the most difficult feature for me is the vertical plastic/carbon piece on the side intake and some colours play that down.

It’s a big decision to order one for us because if would mean replacing our SF90 spider, and that will be expensive - we already did that once with the coupe SF90. And do we want to do that again? On the other hand, we have an ‘old’ Testarossa (not the very old race car version). In the end, if I think it looks great, it’s hard to resist putting the two together.

 

This is a photo I took of this aero "element" please let me know what you really think, if you think that's an acceptable solution I will let it be. To me it's an absolute eyesore, I will also add that it looks much worse in the flesh.




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I have tried to take some shots of the controversial black element but I can now see on my desktop that what I saw IRL doesn't come across in the photos, I didn't take the photos from the correct angle but you can sort of see how the design flares out and enhances the pouncing forward stance, sorry I am not the best photographer LOL


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That black stripe on the side really breaks up the flow of the car. I hate it. The whole thing just comes off to me as trying too hard to add unnecessary elements. Are there any elements at all that would harken back to the last Testarossa? Maybe I'll change my opinion given more time and in person viewing, but right now, Fortis' photos make me dislike it even more. I remember the unveiling of the 458 and loved it the first time I saw it. Same with the F12 (except the rear). But, my opinion doesn't matter because I will never buy another Ferrari (shedding my toys as I've had my fun).

 

It looks great in that blue!

also can’t decide if I like it better with or without the AF extra wings

 

What I find extraordinary is the willingness to convince oneself that it is very good, that it will grow within us, that Ferrari is right and always has been.... On one hand, when it's good, no one needs to write and argue about it, it's just the wow effect that appears... And on the other hand, I wonder about this submission aimed at legitimizing everything the brand does... it's strange in the absolute... a bit like if your wife came out of the neighbor's house getting dressed and you convinced yourself that she just had coffee there...

 

Fan of agreesiive aero - RS Manthey, it's an amazing Porsche after market kit - ugly or not it works.
Building a car is universal - building a fast aero track exotic that is dependable / safe is rare very rare.
Understand why you and others want a design change - it's imo saved for the Icona series and adding that rare flare was a nice surprise.
Today's Ferrari's are spec dependent - what the owner desires it to be esp with AF pkg.
Ferrari is proving their engineering is superior, adding downforce aero to handle the power and chassis Is F1 at work. Prefer receiving F1 than designers balance of dysfunction.
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If you look after your wife she’s not coming out of another man’s house buttoning her shirt up, if she does you probably deserve it.

Aside of the silly aero dinner plates on the front bar I love the car when I saw it, also I am obsessed with my SF90, the 849TR will be amazing to drive and to me that’s the most important aspect.

 

When did I say I want the design changed? I like 99.9% of the design, I spent 4 hours around the car, I had enough time to take it all in and you can not tell me those stupid aero plates stuck on the front bar overhanging like a bad awning over a 90’s dinner shop front is the only solution he could come up with?

Speaking of crazy aero in a subdued body, the F80 it is absolutely insane that it has 1,050kg of downforce without looking as ridiculous as some of the other big downforce cars out there, such a sleek elegant engineering solution.

RS Manthey is an addition to an already ridiculously looking aero package which makes it only marginally more ridiculous, I do love my GT3RS but I wish that wing were a bit smaller LOL

 

I'd paint it black. Less visible from afar and would blend with the black headlights/bar theme.

 

Maybe they can be optioned in carbon, if that’s possible that option is a must IMO

 

The plate does not actually bother me. I think it balances out the chin aesthetically.

 

Not in the flesh, it’s a completely different shape, doesn’t line up wth anything, there is no coherence to it, it stands out like a sore thumb, looks like an added on afterthought.

 

When I first saw photos of it. I thought it was a heinous one off customer special projects car. Its amazing to me that they released this and the 296 within a 5 year period of each other.

 

I've been saying I think the aftermarket will quickly offer flush replacement pieces. Agreed?

 

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You nailed it, that’s where he goes wrong, by not designing the cars with faces robs them of personality, what a terrible take, I hope he changes his mind on future models.

... anyway we all need to digest a new design and Ferrari is not at it's best for debuts.
TM and VIP's keep adding new ideas - I am sure this same will happen here.
Tires are Comp / special editions, add side carbon pieces and alloy fuel / electric ports lexan vented rear engine cover- are they hinting this is the F8 version / no harder core track version? There must be a Ferrari document of its future models somewhere - anyone?

 

Enzo Ferrari.

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Not as far as mentioning an 849 Testarossa VS goes. Maybe we'll get a hint at Capital Markets Day next month with their usual 4-5 year roadmaps