$603k for CS on BAT! Has this world gone Batty?

Talk like above is cheap. The folks willing to put money where their mouth is says otherwise - to the tune of over 600k for the CS on bat.

Same goes for me. Bias as I am since I have a CS, but you can offer me 600k for it and I ain’t selling it…

 

well, 1300 cars is kind of rare, in my book. But to each his own.

 

It is a sexy 360 variant to me. Would I want one? Yes but I would convert it to manual and keep it as my forever halo car!

 

Don't laugh, but this is why I love and stick to my 2008 Honda Accord.
I've thought about buying a new one, then I read all the crap about how
stuff doesn't work and costs a ton to fix, which was never what Honda did in the past.
I may upgrade - to a 2013 - at best - just because I KNOW these cars.... 2014+ = issues.

Now, the 550 Maranello I'm looking at....

 

Definitely not laughing. That's smart. Two thumbs up on the 550. I was recently severely tempted by a 1999 550

Ironically, I have two other cars right now: 1968 Ranchero and a 1929 hot rod. Both with issues and are down right now. My 360 is the only dependable car I have on the road as of now-HA!! Who would have thunk it!

 

great place to sell -- to buy... not so much.

 

I think it was it's super sexy looks. But apparently Ferrari hasn't figured it out in regards to their newest and latest offerings.

 

The ridiculous premium for a CS is simply lost on me. Rare? yeah. But unless it's a track car you are looking for (and bragging rights along with it) a well sorted, equipped, 360 Modena will do the same for wayyyy less. But I'm guessing this 600K+ CS is never going to see the track or any signifiant drive time since as I understand it a CS cannot be registered for street use anyway

Pretty to look at I guess.

 

Cannot be registered for street use? Eh?

it’s all about rarity/collectibility and absolutely nothing about vastly superior performance over a Modena.
997.2 GT3RS’s are a good example. 4L cars trade for 2-3x their 3.8L counterparts. Are they 2-3x as good? Of course not.

 

My neighbor has three Ford Model A's, 1929-1930, one is a hot rod with a Chevy 350 in it (grrr),
the other two are 'original', one of which is stored in my garage.

The 360 is one of the most dependable Ferraris ever made, so no surprise there.

 

Looks like I was misled on the street use thing. But I really don't expect this $600K + CS to be seen sporting around town or on the backroads for that matter-- which IMO is both a shame and a waste. But collectors will be collectors.

I collect artwork in my home to look at. My cars are meant to be driven to be enjoyed. Just sayin'

 

You’re thinking of the regular Challenge cars. For the Challenge Stradale, the word “Stradale” literally means street legal. It’s a challenge car made for street driving. That’s the beauty of it.

 

Exactly as I did. I call it my "poor man's" F50.

 

The difference between a 360 and a stradale
(Or a F430 to scud)

isn’t like going from gt3 to GT3RS
It’s like going 911 base to gt3rs

the difference between these cars is much MUCH more than what you see on a spreadsheet

 

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. The difference between a Modena and a Stradale is not the same as a base 911 and a GT3RS. I've owned 911's for years. I've driven 911's on the track. That's quite the chasm between those two 911's.

A Modena can be made to perform as a CS for not a lot of trouble or $$ (considering the car listed at $600K.) Now with that said, I DO understand the collectible crowd and bragging rights.

I build cars for a living and have for over 34 years. Often times the "spreadsheet" (dyne runs) on the cars we build are impressive-- yet totally unusable on the street and beyond the capabilities of the owner's ability to handle it on either the street or track.

But like I said in my earlier post, most collectors collect -- and to each his own. cheers

 

Haha that’s a stretch

 

F430 to scud can be solved with Trev tune.

 

lol you guys are delusional, I’ve owned them all as well, base 911 and GT3RS, gt3, gt4 etc. and driven these Ferraris, and still own.

just throw a tune on an f430, same as shaving 221 pounds rofl. Maybe go back and check the release of the scud, the engine Internals, the coils, manifold, exhaust out the back, downforce, e-diff2, suspension tuning. Shumacher would think very low of you after that comment, he had a lot to do with all of it

 

The CS is quite a bit lighter than them Modena, but has similar engine power. The 996 GT3 RS is quite a bit more powerful than the 996 Carrera, but their weight is similar. In both cases, the base version has a different suspension, brakes and tires.

I reckon that the felt difference between the base variant and the "track" variant depends strongly on the options (e.g. bucket seats in base variant?), the setup (suspension, tires) of the cars and subjective preferences.

In terms of objective differences, I'd argue that the 996 GT3RS is generally faster than the CS, but the 996 Carrera is generally slower than the Modena. Consequently the difference between Carrera and the RS has to be at least a bit bigger thn the difference between the Modena and the CS.

But objective performance is not the reason why someone spends 600k on a 20 year old car.

 

So you have driven a F430 prior and after a Trev360 tune and a Scud?

I have a scud manifold and dropped out the F1 parts. Trev tune feels exactly like a Scud (but I'm straight piped).

 

Like I said guys a lot is off the spreadsheet.

the Modena or f430 are comfortable, they have sound deadening, nice leather, fast enough, a very good sports car

the CS + Scud have absolutely no sound deadening, you can hear all the rocks hitting the bottom of the car and wheel wells, the cars sound illegal stock they’re so loud, they feel insanely light. The interiors are totally stripped, you’ll couldn’t dream of taking a phone call in either. They feel like race cars, not sports cars

more so than any 911 RS tbh, RS is more comfy than CS+SCUD. I know as I daily’d two rs’s now.

I wouldn’t daily a cs or scud if you paid me, it’s insanity. F430 you could daily, any 911 from any gen you could daily. Thats not a bad thing

im sure your f430 w a tune is great, sounds like you enjoy it

 

The 996 RS is definitely not more comfy than the 360CS.

The inulation/sound deadening on my 360CS is roughly 15 mm thick (back wall, covering the engine maintainance port). The insulation/sound deadening on the same area of my 996GT is less than 2 or 3 mm thick.

The seats in a 996 RS are like the seats in a 360 Challenge (the race car): 6pt harness, Perlon surface and if you are overweight you will not have a good time in them.

Your opinion may be true for the later RS cars (I dont know and care about those) but when it comes to the 996 your opinion is plain and simply wrong. Sorry, but thats just the way it is.

 

I'm not so sure I'd say these CS and 360 are as drastically different as those 2 Porsche models, but the CS is also hardly just a slightly modified 360 Modena. There are a ton of differences and not all of them performance. Some are small differences with aluminum or other materials bits replacing steel or plastic that practically no one even knows about until you tear the car down yourself as an owner. Some of them are also just cool.

I know for me personally, even though I was going to modify my CS, when I was looking to buy, I did explore the idea of a base 360, but I just had zero interest in one. To get it to what a CS was, then to do a few additional modifications would have taken me a decade with the way parts are to find now and probably would have cost me more money even though my CS was 260 vs the 80-100 of a clean 360 at the time.

Also, for me and many others the CS is also peak "affordable" Ferrari. As in under 7 figures. Same for Scud for some people and Speciale for others. A lot more differences than just some bolt ons with all three of those cars.

Then when you add the rarity, low miles that some people lust after, rare color that some people lust after, and the fact some people want a factory car and not a modified 360 to be faster car, these prices make sense. Shoots, new Ferraris practically start at $600,000 now anyways.

I been saying for years that CSs and Diablos will both be a million dollars soon. That's how I justified it to my wife at least. Haha. I got one. Now I just really better get the other before prices get away from me.

Lastly, for what it's worth, I don't like these prices. I'd prefer these all have stayed at $150,000 - $200,000 cars so more people can buy, drive, trade, sell, and enjoy them, but I know that's just not how the collector car market works.

 

if you have an 08/09. The trev tune will feel close to a Scuderia but nothing can be done for the changes to the engine internals which makes the Scuderia rev up/down faster. Also while the shifts in an 08/09 with the latest Trev are fast, the Scuderia still has the advantage with some additional internal transmission changes. All that said on the road you won’t notice the difference between a Scud and Trev tuned later F430, but not so sure on the track, assuming you had the 430 lowered with stiffer springs and setup with the Scuderia wheel alignment to make it a proper comparison.

The engine internal on the CS and the 360 are the same so you can make a 360 into a CS as Ratarossa has done more than once without a major engine rebuild.

as for the comment someone had about daily driving a 996 GT3. I did it for two years when my car was new. Put 24,000 miles on the car and I had the cup seats. If you did mostly highway miles it was livable. If I drove local crappy roads in the New York/New Jersey area, it wasn’t fun and yes the 360 is much more comfortable. The only thing with the 996 GT3 that was way better than 360 from a comfort perspective is the fact you can easily get the factory PCM navigation installed when it was new. This was a special factory order or it could be done at the dealer. At the time in 2004 the PCM was an amazing piece of technology. Nothing like today where a $150 Amazon special can do more hooked up to your iPhone.

 

My Modena was converted to a CS almost 20 years ago. This means the entire look, interior, and mechanical aspects are completely different.

The only differences are slightly lighter door panels than the CS and a lighter rear window (engine cover).

It weighed approximately 1350 kg. And I have to say, I wouldn't want to miss the CS feeling.