296 VS

Just Gourgous. My favorite two!

 

Did you have any specific information about this? Are you referring to a mid-rear engine V12 hybrid?
In my opinion, that would be great.

I agree, normal depreciation has always existed. Even in the VS cars.
In the last seven or eight years, with the discontinuation of the V8 N/A and rumors of the end of the V12, a culture of hyper-speculation has developed around models considered the "last of their kind."
An example of this change is the fact that, in 2009, when the 458 Italia was launched, the 430 Scuds underwent normal depreciation until the average price stabilized. Today, even with the launch of the 12C, we see 812 Competiziones at exorbitant prices, reaching levels similar to the MRSP of an SP3 at launch.
This has attracted many speculators, and it has become a culture, with customers buying regular versions with an investment bias.
But depreciation continues to occur normally, and this has frustrated many people who were counting on a non-depreciation that cannot actually exist.
Ferraris (and sports cars in general) aren't investments, but rather something you buy to enjoy, a life achievement. It's possible that the car depreciates less, and the average price stabilizes, but this is a matter of circumstance; it shouldn't be the primary focus of the purchase.

 

Did the Scud stabilize or the economy - rates dropped / prices went up
Fast forward US prints 5 Trillion / interest stays low - fast forward again high rates low consumer confidence drives down secondary markets.
I think it's the economy that affects the secondary market - let's face it every dealer has every allocation sold for the next few years.

I don't have any info - the V12 is at max hp. they have to go hybrid, my guess it will be a smaller hybrid with the V12 but hybrid for sure.

 

The VS is still pounding around >

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Wow the Speciale has not aged in a decade - just stunning car !!!

 

The production has started or will start soon ...

 

Last I heard, the first customer cars will arrive in the UK in December

 

If it follows the previous VS cars the first cars will be delivered in Europe before year end , then US then APAC late 1st qtr next year

 

Out and about
https://www.instagram.com/p/DPeYZK7jDdB/?img_index=5&igsh=dWZuN2VvbGNhYXMz

 

458S 250 pounds lighter than VS
597hp 398 torque vs 880 hp 557 torque - 458S engine is one of the best engines ever built.
1.23 vs 1.19 lap time - 2 seconds behind XX
VS tire advantage is a chunk of performance - 458S
Hope to see like posts here - on VS. Speciale has aged well in every category - impressive even today
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/technical-aero-458-italia-vs-speciale.421887/

 

You have the 458 Speciale power in bhp, it's 605 hp to compare with the 296 Speciale's 880 hp.
According to Ferrari, the 458 Speciale lap time is 1'23.5, half a second slower than a base 488 GTB and 2s slower than a 488 Pista.
SF90 XX is 1'17.31 (now that's precision), SF90 is 1'19.0 exactly as 296 Speciale.

 

I got close skip 488, it's the Speciale and my focus is to see if it earns the same respect.
296 SF90 years ahead of the competition - XX in its own league
Time will tell - Ferrari takes seat time experience serious on track versions.

 

Interestingly, both 458 Speciale and 488 Pista are the final "track oriented" versions of a technology (NA V8 for the 458, turbo V8 for the Pista - even though there was another turbo V8, the F8, after the Pista).
One question about the 296 Speciale is whether there will be a "296 M Speciale" (whatever it will be called) with a similar V6 hybrid technology, in which case the 296 Speciale would be in a situation comparable to that of the 430 Scuderia. This question will need years to be answered though.

 

BUT....how will regulations looks then. Will we be able to hear the car, will this version be more special. All yet to be seen. There will definitely be a VS version of the 296M. I can't see them giving up the money.

 

Guessing - 296M will be same as 849 / F8 - in-between re- body no track version. Challenge cars following street cars - those guys don't want another version any sooner - my .02
Ferrari presents their upcoming models - the model versions is out or set to be out soon.
We should know if 849 is a stand alone no track version and possibly final V8 - if it's the final V8 SF90 and 849 does well.
I think VS will go the way of 765LT Mac Speciale Pista etc- one and done V6 track version for another 5 years. Regulations - almost killed a few car companies I think they are over it - globally.

 

F8 was an anomaly, triggered by the delay on the 296 development. There may be a 849 VS (XX ?) and a 296M VS; not immediately of course, but following the regular pattern.

 

Anybody have some info on tires? I learned Sport Cup 2 will be standard. Great for the track, risky on the road. Are PS4 available?

 

You can ask for the Sport Cup 2 - not standard, need to choose high performance tires. I requested PS4 but most likely will get the standard Bridgestone.

 

That's PS4S btw - thanks to Michelin confusing naming.

 

Thanks. Dealer told me Cup 2 was standard, I think I need to verify. PS4S would be my preferred choice.

 

Mac 750 came after 765LT - AV Ultimae came after SVJ -
296CH 2024 - 488CH was 2017 - 458CH 2010 - every 7 years
296M which will debut soon will be a re-body of the 296 like the 849 a less expensive re-body of SF90
The next Challenge / street car has to be a newly engineered car and highly doubt the 296M is a new design vs re-body of 296.
We are going to see next CH in 2030 at the soonest for 2031 - just based on past.
Anyway - the F8 was not a anomaly / mistake, factories design and engineer years in advance.
This imo is why the track editions regardless of production do very well - it's a one and done for that model / chassis and it's years in-between. Track versions are done with an amazing amount of engineering considering the low production. They take past future tech and apply it to the street.

 

Yes production on mine has started, don’t know the status code though.