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I drive the 360 daily and NEVER, EVER wash it.

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  1. DiSomma6

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    The issue of paint, PPF and ceramic coating has come up quite a bit lately, so I figured it was important to introduce my controversial, and less popular, solution to keeping my car's paint like brand new. I'm sure most of your faces will resemble those of the people who ask me repeatedly what kind of ceramic coating I'm using to keep the paint so slick. The answer is NONE.

    About 8 years ago, I quit washing my cars. I know a little bit about paint and various coatings, since detailing was my first job at 15 and paid for my first car at 16 - a Porsche 928. I was obsessed with using the best polishes on my exotic car clients, resorting to only Zymol - the best of the best of that era. Since then, there have been numerous fads that have come in and out of popularity - the most recent being ceramic coating.

    The idea of waxes (before internet marketing came along and ruined everything) was to replenish the natural oils in the paint that dissipate over time in the sun and elements. Makes sense to me. Advancing 20 years later, my career found me learning about chemical compounds and how soaps and sulfates work, in general. Basically soap suds are created by breaking the surface tension using some sort of chemical (all soaps do the same thing using only a handful of similar chemicals) that breaks down oils to lift away dirt.

    It only makes sense that he removal of that oil only accelerates the age of the paint.

    So I quit washing my cars. Instead, I just keep a bottle of speed shine mixed with spray wax handy and the paint stays new with zero swirls. Every few days - especially after the rain - I lightly spray and wipe down the car with the concoction, first with a wet microfiber cloth, next with a dry, and the paint is literally flawless in the shade and sun.

    So my YouTube feed keeps sending me videos of modern detailers spraying a sheet of suds on classic cars then spending the next two hours on drying, ceramic coating, and making even more on social media clicks and I just laugh. I can assure you that water dances off faster on my car, but mine only took 15 minutes and cost $8 for the same result and with no oil loss.
     
  2. 066/8

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    Interesting. Thank you.

    Would that also be suitable to clean up the insect grave yard, tar spots and other kinds of dirt that typically won't come off easily?
     
  3. DiSomma6

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    I've never had a problem. I drove my Maserati over 100K miles this way and it showed like brand new when I sold it. Zero paint fade and never a reason for the "paint correction" that everyone seems to need nowadays lol.
     
  4. ADA///M

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    can't imagine how there's no swirls and the paint is actually clean, but if it works for you it works!

    Agreed on all the non-sense about what's best or the new fad. Also, it takes me about 20 minutes to wash and dry the car entirely. Ceramic Coating is a one time event every 3+ years depending on several factors. Idk what anyone is doing for 2 hours lol

    Ceramic Coatings, like other coatings, are just sacrificial layers of protection while potentially adding "depth/gloss/etc.."

    I'm no scientist so I won't say what's best in theory, or what is best long term for a modern clearcoat (though I don't think they need "oils" replenished). I'll only say the few cars I've ceramic coated have worked out great, been easier to clean, prevented swirling and staining, etc... compared to the older coatings/waxes/sealants
     
  5. kenneyd

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    If your only using quick detail to clean your car, you are rubbing abrasive material (paint, dirt, dust, road grime, asphalt, rubber) into your paint.... which will micro damage the paint causing swirls, and slowly eroding the clear, which will weaken its integrity and resistance to fade and aging.

    Water and soap are used because they removed much of the abrasives without touching the paint, they also lube, soften the grime so it can come off with zero damage.
    I cant believe im actually explaining this.

    Wax is simply a natural or synthetic barrier between the paint and the containments. it resist things sticking to it and is also a sacrificial layer when cleaning to will come off instead of paint
    It adds some gloss, but its limitation is it doesn't last long. To visualize it, just imagine rubbing a candle on your paint....it will stay on a while, but a few wipes and its gone.

    I used wax of all types for years, thought ceramics are snake oil, until i tried them about 8 years ago.
    Now all my cars are ceramic coated. To visualize ceramic coating, its like covering your car with superglue. It provides a measurable layer of essentially glass on top of your paint. its literally 2-4 times HARDER than your clear coat. It also measurable increases you gloss level by 30-50%.
    Its hydrophobic, and extremely slick, meaning grime, dirt and other abrasives dont even stick to it.

    I can drive my cars in the rain and the next day the still look detailed. When drying my cars, i simply use a blower and the water falls off, no touching.
    Ceramic will last decades if garaged and minimal touching, 4-8 years with normal cleaning.

    Certain cars i own i just don't drive in the rain, no point, and sure, only have to wash them maybe 2 times a year. But they can be cleaned without rubbing abrasives into the paint.
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  6. LorenzoR

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    Kenny what are you using for ceramic coating
     
  7. GogglesPisano

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    I’m known to give my cars a whore bath every now and then with quick detailer but I can tell you definitively that it is not the solution for everybody. This is for light dust over a day or two. Real dirt and bugs and crap require soap and water unless you want swirl marks.
     
  8. DiSomma6

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    #8 DiSomma6, Nov 10, 2025 at 3:15 PM
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    One more thing to point out - there's a little common sense involved so it's not just spray and scrub. For example, if you have lots of sand stuck to your car, then naturally you'd want to gently brush that off first. But generally speaking, it's a 15 minute job and I get countless compliments on the paint. This has been the case on all my cars.

    I try to look at things logically. Clear liquids and coatings look good, but they do, in fact, magnify UV. Even water does - water your lawn at the wrong hour and burn your grass, or look any any water drop on a leaf. So, sure it will make the paint look wet but the jury is out on whether or not it actually prolongs the finish. But I know from experience that repeated oiling with the true wax will extend the life of paint. It's a little more difficult with clearcoat but the decomposition of materials that makes it plyable is what makes them get old and flake, and waxes were designed to prevent that. With that said, I do believe that "ceramic" coatings do not accomplish that at all. They will hide that wear but certainly not prevent it in the way old school waxes were designed to do. Even the word "ceramic" is used erroneously in the marketing of these products. They are simply polymer coatings - there is nothing ceramic about them lol. The only way they avoid a FPLA violation is because they use trace amounts of inorganic compounds in it - the industry calls it "dusting" - but a simple chemistry class will explain the difference.

    Once the "ceramic" word is considered overused by the general public, there will be a replacement. If the tree-huggers didn't publish so much negative press on Teflon in the early 2000's, the industry would have used that name and 3M would have made a fortune on licensing!
     
  9. kenneyd

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    I've tried a few, SystemX MAX is great, all in one product, but only available from professionally.
    Right now my Go-to is Gtechniq CSL with their Exov5 top coat. Fantastic product, easy to apply, I have posted several application videos.
    The one thing DiSomma said that was correct was the term "ceramic" get used loosely, or better said: deceptively. For many products the word ceramic is simply for marketing. However, products like Gtechniq, SystemX, Gyeon etc are legit ceramics.



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  10. DiSomma6

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    I knew this would ruffle feathers, and that wasn't my intention.

    But I would be glad to debunk your claims in person if you saw my car. Posting images with heavy contrast filters does no justice, sorry. And yes those are not raw images. Finally, don't tell me that you ceramic coat your cars and only wash them twice a year and they look great. That's a tall claim my friend.
     
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  12. DiSomma6

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    Again, unlike some of your comments, I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong. I'm just saying that what I do works. I drive my cars every day and I accumulate lots of miles - and I like my cars spotless. This is how I do it. I get countless comments on the finish and the first questions involve what kind of ceramic am I using. Honestly - I'm asked that on a regular basis. Well, here it is. Take it or leave it lol.
     
  13. bonehead

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    Interesting take…:
    What do you do about wheels? Brake dust wreaks havoc on wheels and a simple rinse and spray wax/Detailer won’t cut it. Even wheels with CCB’s get pretty nasty
     
  14. ADA///M

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    It's hard to tell anything from pictures, especially blurry ones lol

    If it works for you, that's all that matters. Just haven't seen anyone make this case anywhere.
     
  15. ADA///M

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    I can tell you there's a night and day difference from when I got my car (5k miles and most would say the paint looked flawless) and a month later after a light paint correction process and ceramic coating (after letting it cure for 2 weeks). Paint looked nothing like this before. It almost looks like a different color.
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    My favorite is geyon One. Its a super easy one to use
     

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