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Discussion in '456/550/575' started by ethan, May 7, 2007.

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  1. ethan

    ethan Karting

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    when i fire up (cold or hot engine) it sometimes runs on a very high idle
    (up to 2000-2500 rpm) for about five minutes, then it settles down
    again to normal and stays there. i fire up, the idle is about at 1500 rpm
    i then touch the accelerator very slightly and it goes up to about 2000 rpm and stays more or less there for about 5 to 8 minutes...

    anybody an idea what's the problem? the accelerator-pedal isnt stuck.
     
  2. SonomaRik

    SonomaRik F1 Veteran

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    actually, I've had the opposite lately: low to almost killed idle on cold start. thinking the sensors on a slide...taking it in for oil change this week [get the Mondial out of shop---wax on, was off] so will ask Ferrari about it too. Have seen many threads on this idle issue....

    ALSO, been getting a sort of lurch on cold idle...but, expect that's related...gone on warmup, could be injectors[?] etc.
     
  3. mxstav@comcast.net

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    The "temporary" high idle could be a sticking Bypass Air Solenoid. Idle speed is regulated by bypassing air around the throttle plates. I have seen this on other cars I have owned.

    I am starting to wonder if my cold, low-idle problem is being caused by the same.

    Hope this helps,

    Mark
     
  4. ethan

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    and would that bypass also stick when the car is hot? for example when i stop to refuel and start the engine again i often have this problem again for some min.
    also, the first time it occurred was when i restarted the engine after having stalled in reverse. i cant see how this could be related, but maybe im wrong.

    anyway thank you all for your help!
     
  5. mxstav@comcast.net

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    I think the BPA solenoid could stick at any position at any time. I recall with my old Escort (don't laugh) that it would stick open so that the engine would have a fast idle after driving for a while. I believe the engine strategy was to open the BPA solenoid up during cruise so that when the throttle was closed the BPA solenoid could be used sort of as a dashpot. This would return the car to idle slowly instead of slamming the throttle shut. I assume this would help with emissions. The BPA solenoids would gum up over time and stick. I cleaned mine with Gumout and it cleared up the problem. (Though there was a warning sticker on the solenoid not to use cleaners on it as it would remove some coating on it.)

    Note this was with a 4 cylinder Escort that has one throttle body, not a 12 cylinder Ferrari with two throttle bodies. I don't know how the engine would react if the BPA solenoid on one half the engine was stuck open while the other one was working properly.
     

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