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  1. gold333

    gold333 Rookie

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    On a generic completely open exhaust system: If one wanted to keep the loud clear overrun crackle from the exhaust but reduce the excessive booming low down bass sound around 500-2000 rpm, would it be adviseable to:


    Place a small muffler on the central section of the exhaust, or place it at the end?

    All other things being equal.
     
  2. snj5

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    It's been my experience that the resonators at the end of the system smooth out the sound taking away highs, but not change the character of the sound. A second muffler/resonator or enlarging the primary can will change the character of the note. There is also the real effect of resonant harmonic dampning: two mufflers each of volume x in series will dampen more than one single muffler of 2x.

    Good luck!
     
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    What kind of car? My 275 GTB had straight pipes with Snaps and was not excessivly loud.
     
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    Acoustics are a bit of a black art IMHO. What you want, from a tone perspective, is essentially a noise filter. That is, you want to dampen the low tones, and let the high notes pass? I might try a large baffeled chamber that hopefully will dampen the low notes but let the high notes pass?

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  5. gold333

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    Thanks guys.

    The car is an Alfa Romeo 916 V6 24V. The current setup is straight through from the cats back.

    Here are some sound clips:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9XYgecvbVY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enZ6oBcqfIk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ef2846SvYI

    This is the setup: rear of car is top of image:

    http://www.plaatjesupload.nl/bekijk/2008/07/19/1216434393-81.jpg

    I tried the standard (large) muffler on the centre part (gold coloured pipe) It killed the sound completely.

    Now I'm wondering how to use perhaps a smaller muffler (your advice is again on the centre?).

    Wonder what the difference is between a short fat muffler:

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    and a long thin one:

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    PS: Whats a large baffled chamber?
     
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    There are basically two types of muffler commonly in use in modern sports cars. The absorptive type, which has a fiber absorptive material and the other is an hollow can ("acoustic box") with baffles to muffle the sound by internal reflection.

    Personal opinion only here: the baffled mufflers all sound higher pitched and tinny to me.

    I love the Alfa engine and it is traditionally held to be one of the best sounding. Depending on what you want, I think a absorptive muffler of about 14" length and then smoothed out with a tip resonator will give a very aggressive sound, but be quite toerable around town and on trips.
     
  7. gold333

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    1. On the centre or on the rear of the car?

    2. Whats a tip resonator?

    3. I understand that absorptive will give a deep sound, I'm wary of it sounding like the souped up CRX crew around idle though. I love the way Unicorse sounds for example but they are far too expensive.

    4. 14 inches. This is in accordance with advice I heard on other forums that longer cans will kill low down bass and leave high frequencies alone. (as opposed to short fat cans).
     
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    1. Center
    2. Like an Ansa tip or others - one that has some fiberglass packing in it
    3. Understand your concern exactly; it won't.

    Here is a short video of a Mondial 3.2 with each side going through two 13" absorptive mufflers in series, no side to side mixing, followed by a resonated tip. The car had new carbs which had not been synch'd yet, so it pops just a little. It is much smoother now:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j18BmXoP9kE

    Here is a schematic and a photo of the system:
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  9. gold333

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    Thanks alot.

    I'm collecting info around the 'net. I'll try and keep you updated.
     
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    thanks - I am always up for learning more.
     
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    I have the factory Challenge exhaust on my 355CH which is an open exhaust. I inserted header baffles in the upper and lower pipes and it removed the low pitched resonance at the 2500-3500 range. Still quite loud but without the resonance.
     
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    What is a header baffle?
     

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