Agip oil

Hello,

I've done some poking around and it seems that the recommended 10w50 Agip oil has been discontinued. What is a suitable Agip replacement? I don't want to run Mobil in my Qporte III, Alfa Milano 3.0L, or F360, as I am a firm believer that Agip is the only oil for the Italian cars. I use Mobil in my Porsche/BMW race cars, but I don't want to use Mobil in the Italian group. I may consider a Shell product (but I really don't care for their oil), or a FINA product. What are your thoughts? Most of the cars will either be driven as they were designed to be, or see regular track use.

Thanks,
Ricky

 

Ferrari only uses Shell in their F1 program

 

Good luck with that.

 

F1 says nothing--merely who dumps the most money into Bernie's pocket. I did find a Motul 10w50 (Motul 5100). That sounds like it may be okay. I'll run the specs past one of my techs to see what his input is. A couple gentlemen also recommended Selenia. I am looking into their product line now.

 

Have you considered Lubro-Moly Synthoil High Tech 5W-40 Motor Oil?

 

Redline has the 10w50 but, 5w50 is better which is what I use.

 

For the vast majority of uses, once you get into a fully synthetic oil of the right weight grade, the measurable differences in oil over an OCI is below the noise level. That is for street driving, Mobil 1 is just as good as Redline is just as good as AMSOil, is just as good as <any other>.

For track purposes things change. Here you need to find an oil with the right HTHS number. HTHS is a measure of viscosity at high temperatures under high stress conditions. For the 360 the HTHS number you are (or should be) looking for is 4.2 cP. Since you won't find this number on the can/bottle, you have to do your homework and go read the manufacture's data sheets on their oil.

Most Owners manuals and Workshop Manuals don't list the HTHS requirements, either. So what you have to do is to find the recommended oil (AGIP in this case) then find the manufactures dats sheet on that oil, and see if it has the HTHS requirements. Then use something at or above that number. If HTHS number is not present, one can find an oil viscosity calculator on the net, find the actual viscosities of the oil at startup (40dF) and at operating conditions (212dF) and then use the calculator to determine the actual viscosity at 305dF. Finally choose an oil with an HTHS above the calculated number.

If you cannot determine the above requirements, and your car has an oil temperature gauge, remember that while the manufacture would allow a short stint with the oil as hot as 305dF (where HTHS is measured) you should back off when the oil is within 30dF of that (or 275dF).

The other rule of thumb is that for every 30dF of increased oil temperature you should go up one grade/weight on the SAE scale. So if you see temperatures over 275dF and you want to run the car hard for a long time up at those temps, go up one grade (from 5W-40 to 15W-50). Conversely if you never see oil temps above 235dF you can safely drop one grade (from 5W-40 to 5W-30)--just keep an eye on the oil temperature and be prepaired to quit getting it on when the oil gets hot.

Since Royal Purple won't release their HTHS numbers I, personaly, won't use their oils.

 

Because Shell pays Ferrari. Agip used to pay Ferrari. Someday another oil company will have Ferrari's endorsement because it will pay Ferrari more. Agip oil was not formulated specifically for a certain Ferrari engine and neither is Shell. I run Redline, primarily because they are a local company and I get a discount on their products.

 

Beyond that, Redline uses topnotch basestocks (polyol esters) and a good additive packages.

 

I used Agip Sint 2000 ( 10W-40 ) for the past ten years in my 308 GTB and '72 Alfa 2000GTV.
Since it's now discontinued and noone can say, whether the new i-Sint is exactly the same, I will switch to Agip Racing 10W-60 in the future.
This might also be the correct Agip oil for your cars.

Best Regards from Germany

Martin

 

MOBIL 1. GOOD ENOUGH FOR A W12 TWIN TURBO OR A TWIN TURBO 6.75L PUSHROD ENGINE AS SPECIFIED BY BENTLEY. WE USED AGIP IN NEW MASERATI'S AND WE WOULD GET A LIFTER KNOCK. THE FIX WAS REPLACING OIL WITH MOBIL 1.

 

Resurrecting this thread, does anyone konw a good source for the AGIP Sint 2000 10-40. I called the US 1 800 number and they didnt seem that interested in helping me, saying that its on back order for a few months.

 

The Agip distributor in the USA is useless.

They have an interesting gear oil but as far as the motor oils go I cannot think of a good reason to pick it over many less costly, easier to get products.

 

They were 100% useless.

My Diablo has a brand new short block and full rebuild from George Evans, and that is what he told me to use. I have read there are better oils, but I am pretty sure George konws what he is doing and I am hesitant to do otherwise.

 

Good luck with that.

 

Good luck with what? Finding the oil? Using the oil? Listening to George?

not being glib, just trying to understand. I am not a mechanic, i am a hack mechanic. I have an engine rebuilt by someone who has an outstanding reputuation related to Lamborghinis (at least as far as I konw). The engine has a pile of receipts and runs like a demon possesed, I have wanted one of these for a long time and its now in my garage. George said to use Sint 2000, just trying to do the right thing here gents.

 

This is my thoughts exactly.

I used to get AGIP SINT 2000 for $5 per litre. That is much more cost effective than the $17 per quart (less than 1 litre) for Redline 10W40....however the difference is that the Redline is the superior product, and I am sick of chasing AGIP to obtain the SINT when I can get the Redline anytime I want/need.

 

Here is a site posting wear test results for various oils (~50). It also provides the Zn and phosphate numbers if you are interested. See the results:

Motor Oil "Wear Test" Results - Team Camaro Tech

 

You must not be in Texas.
They have scarcely heard of Redline here. I am going to have to get it shipped here from California. But then I am spoiled. Used to be 30 miles down the road from them.

I really tried to sell Agip gear oil but they just don't seem interested.

 

Geno, support local business. Buy Redline. Agip is the safe choice to recommend if that's what is written in the manual.

Sent using mental telepathy

 

Long way from it (Canada)

I don't know whether to say "that's a shame" or "that's a surprise".

Yeah, I feel spoiled, I have access to Redline product less than 6 miles from my house.

Well, it seems that AGIP doesn't need anyone's support, if they don't care about their own product why should anyone else?

 

Did not "Agip" become "Eni" a while back ? Aren't the oil products still available under the new label ?

Maybe give these guys a call.......

Automotive Lubricants - Eni

Check this brochure out ---- it has all the old Agip "sint" stuff still listed....
View attachment isint-brochure.pdf

 

Correct, called ENI now. And the SINT 2000 is now called I-SINT

 

I have some left over from a decade+ ago, what is it worth?
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Not much... I've read suggestions that motor oil has a shelf life of around 5 years, and beyond that the concern is that additive elements can separate out and settle.