Maserati QP ?

its not german enough for you, it will break, leak, overheat and who knows what, stick to your M5.

 

can any car from italy make it 20k miles per year?

 

i'll pick you up if i see you stuck along GA400.

 

your m5 has 100k miles?? masers depreciate like rocks. you'll have to pay someone to take away a 100k mile QP in five years.

 

And, here's an irony: People ***** about Lambos becoming Audis. Go figure.

 

either way, buying the new M5 will not gaurantee the level of reliability of your old m5, my friends a bmw mech and he says the new cars are in the shop way more often. the ratio has narrowed down, and italian cars being in the european average.

basically if ur wussy, dont go for it. maybe a cts-v would be better for you.

 

How long you plan on keeping the car is the main question. I think the Quattroporte will be fine up to 60-70k miles but past that is what I'd be worried about. Maybe buy one and sell it in 3 years after 60k miles or so? The Maserati's really are reliable cars, don't let the people that have no personal experience with them tell you otherwise. There are a few horror stories out there but I absolutely love mine. Also maybe have another beater car just in case the Quattro needs service. Nothing major but maybe a $5k car and it'd also be nice when you're going places you don't want to take the Quattroporte (Carnival, Music Concert, etc)

Just my opinion but if I could afford it, I'd have one as a daily. I used my Spyder as a daily and it served me very well.

Also come to maseratiforum.net there's a few Quattro owners over there and you'll get answers from more knowledgable people.

 

You want to talk depreciation? Look at Jaguar.

Our Black/Tan >$100k stick Arden tuned '98 (Maybe 99) XJR sold for <$15k last year with 130k on the clock.

 

My best bet, get a QP, keep it as long as you have a warranty (or better, sell it a year before it expires, so next buyer will still be "happy").

 

Also, one thing to know is that these cars won't let you down on the road.

Most of the times, there are small bugs/gremlins, but nothing that can keep you from moving (or from stopping -like in MB E-class)

 

before replying about Maserati`s depreciation do a search on the internet

 

I can only agree on that.

The QP holds its value quite well, especially compared to similar barges (S-Class, Jag XJ, BM 7 etc).

 

get an M5.
that way we will not hear from you *****ing about it.

 

Yeah, and it has all the grunt to get away from the reflections of the ugly profile in shops, so you don't die of a heart attack.

 

parker,

He's referring to the M5, not the QP. He piggybacked his comments to Kewpie's.

99355F1,

Regarding the XJR comment, you sold your car for wholesale after you dumped tens of thousands (shudder) more to have it tweaked by Arden.

The cars at that time were $72k BRAND NEW. 20% of the value after 130k miles and 6 years or 7 years old isn't too terrible.

Why should we take your word for it? You can't even be sure if it was a '98 or '99!

Sunny

 

in all honesty, i can pick up a 5yr old XJR for 25CDN, when new they were over 100CDN, thats 75K in 5 years.......

 

Market conditions may vary as does the mileage.

$25,000 CDN is $21,000 USD.

$21,000 USD is 30% after 5 years.

Wholesalers sell '98 and '99 XJ8's (not XJRs) for $9-12k if they have 75-100k miles on them.

A modified '98 or '99 XJR with 130k miles and modifications is going to end up on the lowest end of the pricing scale.

Unmodified '95-'97 XJRs with under 100,000 miles bring in $10,000 USD, frequently more.

This seller got screwed in order to move a car and/or due to lack of research.

I know the market and while the used market might be soft compared to other models thanks to the leasing schemes and problems with the '98-'99 models, $15k is not a horrendous loss for a modified 100k+ mile Jag from the two years they had the most problems with the XJs in the last 15 years.

Sunny

 

jags and saabs have prolly the worst resale.

 

The car wasn't mine, it was my dad's, and was sold a year ago, why should I be held responsible for what year it was? I believe now, that it is a '98. He got the first year of the new one. (SC'd V8)
---I'm not complaining about the value, I'm just saying that the QP's residual value isn't that unheard of in that class of cars. I used a personal example, then, to show my point.
I also thought the car was more like $61-64k new (un-optioned). I could VERY WELL be wrong though.

Why should you believe me? You don't have to, I really don't care; it's the internet.

And yes, that vehicle was a reliability nightmare, and had a HORRIBLE dealer. (Charles Mond, Austin, TX)
--That car had NUMEROUS problems with overheating, none of them cheap.
Hence the car being sold for a more reliable vehicle. (Cayenne TT)

The thing is, a Trans Am or an Accord of the same year will sell today for about 50% (give or take 10%) of its original price.

Our car was sold privately to a buyer looking for a tuned super-sedan (through the paper), so they thought the Arden modifications were worth a considerable amount to the value of the car. However, the fact that the car was hell to maintain, and had 130,000 miles (Engine rebuilt soon/New engine needed soon?) gave it the price it sold for. One dealer (BMW of Austin) quoted us $8.5k for the car. The car had also been in an accident. (Nearly totalled)

 

actually any supersaloon will depreciate like crazy, a 2000 A8 can be had for 25k.

 

'98 and '99 had bad t-stats which would cause slight to heavy overheating over time that damages the plastic impellers in the water pumps (it melts the fins off) and it takes 10-30 minutes for the system to come up to fully hot operating temperature before they overheat. The Jags like a lot/most vehicles, once they are at speed, air does a significant amount of the cooling.

There are also issues with the Mercedes transmission in the R models as well as the ZF 5-speed which takes special Esso fluid with certain friction characteristics because of the constantly slipping torque converter. Both units are only designed for 150k miles. Audi and BMW have also had their share of problems with the ZF 5 speed. ZF also jointly developed the Mercedes transmission from the XJR thats also found in the E55 and its not bulletproof.

The engines also have nikasil liners, something BMW, Porsche, and Toyota have had their bad experiences with. Cast iron liners were used as of mid '00.

I have a '97 because I did my research. Unfortunately for first owners of '98 and '99's, so do used buyers and these two years will be trading very cheaply and are not typical of market.

As someone said, even A8's which are arguably better cars than 7-series, Jags, and S-class MB's, aren't doing much better.

Now how all of this relates to the Maserati is that the limited production is the only thing saving its ass from plummeting even more than these other sedans.

Sunny