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Matching numbers...

Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by sjvalin, Oct 6, 2004.

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  1. sjvalin

    sjvalin Formula Junior

    Aug 31, 2004
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    When did Ferrari stop stamping the chassis number on the engine? If an engine doesn't match the chassis on a non-concours car (ie, driver), should the value be affected?

    Just curious...

    -steve
     
  2. Drew Altemara

    Drew Altemara Formula 3

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    I believe the 275GTB/GTS had matching numbers but the Daytona did not. So right around that period. Would think 330GTC's have matching numbers but just a guess.

    Personally, I would not disqualify a car if the numbers did not match but would pick at the price a little.
     
  3. ArtS

    ArtS F1 World Champ
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    ??? As far as I know every road going Ferrari chassis (and almost every racecar) has a specific engine number which corresponds to the VIN.

    My understanding is as follows: On early cars it's simpler e.g. my car VIN is 7919GT and the engine is 7919. The later cars have a longer VIN but within it is the engine number.

    Am I missing something?

    Regarding the value: non-matching engines have been discussed thoroughly in another thread within the vintage section. The conclusion was that the value is slightly negatively affected however; this should be an issue on identical cars. Condition is much more important especially with drivers.

    Regards,

    Art S.
     
  4. kare

    kare F1 Rookie
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    Ferraris have had a separate engine number from very early on. It seems to have been stamped on engine block as soon as the casting was checked and accepted for the machine shop. This is why engine number is stamped on rough surface. For your car this number should be #1324.

    When engine was mated to the chassis, they also duplicated the chassis number, now stamped on milled surface on right side of the block.

    Duplication of chassis number seems to have ended at the time of Fiat take over and while earliest Daytonas have both numbers, the later cars only have the engine number.

    Best wishes, Kare
     
  5. bigodino

    bigodino F1 World Champ
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    What about the 166 MM Barchetta: didn't it have an out of sync system (a lower engine number compared to the chassis number)?
     
  6. ArtS

    ArtS F1 World Champ
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    Thanks for the clarification Kare. I learned something new.

    Regards,

    Art S.
     
  7. shaughnessy

    shaughnessy Formula 3
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  8. sjvalin

    sjvalin Formula Junior

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    Thanks all for the information. I figured it was something like that. A 1971 Daytona I am looking at does not have the engine number stamped on it, but the early Sheehan car (supposedly one of the first Scaglietti prototypes) does have it.
     
  9. Drew Altemara

    Drew Altemara Formula 3

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    That's good information. So 330GTC's had matching numbers as well.
     
  10. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    By the 308GTB production, for example, the engine was no longer stamped to match the VIN, but had a ID number based upon ????.

    It doesn't match the VIN.........
     

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