Serenissima

Post #28 mentions the correct chassis number!

 

Unfortunately no picture; but the Jungla was the fifth and last Automobili Serenissima/Sasamotors chassis produced in Modena.

May be Pontecchio Marconi could have a picture or could tell, if there ever was a VIN or VIN plate on the chassis (or the car) and if yes, how it looked.

 

From old magazines.
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First picture in the background: engine M67 with 3 valves, based on the former M63 V8 90° DOHC concept and designed from Lamberto Lambertini with some impacts from Harry Mundy.

 

The one in the color pictures that has no number in the white roundels.
My question is: who is given credit for the design of the body?
It seems heavily influenced by the Ferrari 250/275P

Also wasn't the Serenissima engine taken out at one time or another after the failed LeMans venture and loaned to Bruce McLaren for a Can Am car or some other two seater? So maybe that's why the car hasn't been seen for 40 or so years because it doesn't have an engine (McLaren later switched to BRM)

If that engine is now in a two seater pure racer or a single seater McLaren being fielded now as a vintage racer, I guess it would take a lot of convincing for the owner of either of those cars to sell that engine to whoever eventually buys the spyder. Because the spyder will never be complete until it gets a Serenissima engine, right? That's the ironyof one or more cars all depending on one engine to be complete--who gets priority?

 

Francesco Salomone designed the 308V GT Prototype, the Jet and the Torpedo. He worked for Pininfarina and was succeded from Tom Tjaarda, after he went in pension. According to Tom Tjaarda, he was a very nice and humble person and all the Ferrari designs from the fifties until the mid sixties were Salomone's work or strongly influenced by him.

Two M63 308VM1 and one M63 358VM2 were produced. During Les 24 Heures du Mans in 1966, one M63 308VM1 (#101F1) was in Bruce McLaren's F1 M2B-2, the other M63 308VM1 in the Jungla (#005) and the M63 358VM2 in the Torpedo (#004). The Torpedo's 3.5 litre engine broke during the LM tests and got replaced with the Jungla's motor for the race. Consequently the Jungla DNS and just displayed engineless with #25 in the pits.

All M63 engines still exist today. #101F1 is in the Jet, M63 358VM was converted from Alf Francis 1967/8 to 3 litre (to eliminate vibrations) and put in Serenissima M1AF (a single seater with modified BRP chassis) and the third is with the Torpedo. F1 McLaren M2B-2 has today a Ford engine from its 1966 Monaco configuration.

 

Because in the opening pictures starting this thread I saw thse differance between the street car
and the race car at LeMans

--street car has ridge ahead of bonnet, about one foot long, 2" high

--street car has wipers in different place
-race car has outside rear view mirrors
-street car has bumpers

So is the race car the street car modified for racing or are there two different spyders?

 

Now it's a copper color. A friend of Tom Tjaarda bought it and did it right, with Tom's advice. Ford tried to make the public think they were going to continue importing the car iwth this design but it was all a feint, actually they had bad blood with DeTomaso as far back as '72 and bought out the rights to make the Pantera as far as the U.S. and then shut down production in '73 though some '74 models were still sold in the U.S. Ford ended up owning the name Ghia and operated Ghia as a satellite design studio for some time. They even kept the name Vignale and every few years had to make a car with the Vignale name or they would lose the use of the name.

 

Same chassis (#004) but different configuration.

 

Who's red bag is on picture 3 next to the wall?

 

Looking at the pictures of the cars outside the shop it seems only the 308V coupe competizione Jet has escaped, been restored and shown at Villa d'este.
So are all of the below still mothballed? Anyhow here's the list from the photos--are any of these cars now out and about, that we can see at concours and vintage races?

SERENISSIMA AGENA (I thought that was Ghia based--on Mangusta chassis, so I don't know what the Ghia model is--Bitzman)
SERENISSIMA GHIA
SERENISSIMA LOLA GT Mk.6 LGT1 "AF"
SERENISSIMA Mc LAREN M1C (DROGO) \
1965 SERENISSIMA SPYDER LEMANS CAR (SILVER)

I read somewhere that the Count left ATS with four chassis, but it sounds like none of the above have ATS chassis. So should I add four more chassis to the list in the Collection? Would they still be called ATS or Serenissimas?

One name I have heard, the Torpedo--is that just another name for one of the above?

 

Group picture is via Ghiselli in Formigine around 1968/9; also the inside pictures with the Filipinetti 128 ("magazzino" opposite the main building around 1970/1). After Formigine was given up from Serenissima Automobili s.r.l. in 1970, Scuderia Filipinetti with Mike Parkes took it over and built there the 128 for a short period. Serenissima just kept the "magazzino".

Yes, there was also a cooperation before with Gianni Diena and Aldo Silingardi, but with Sasamotors S.p.A in Modena (viale Malmusi 44/78). Their workshop at via Toscanini came later and Sport Auto took over the location around 1966/7 from Gransport after they closed.

 

Four chassis? What for? Where have you read that?

 

Luigi Bertocco drove the Torpedo at Zeltweg in 1965. But this is not Bertocco. Who is this guy? (©Technisches Museum Wien).
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Two more photos with Serenissima n°25 at Le Mans 1966.
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Serenissima Jungla - my garage - mid '80 - Rapperswil Switzerland
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Serenissima Jungla - my garage - mid '80 - Rapperswil Switzerland
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Serenissima Jungla - my garage - mid '80 - Rapperswil Switzerland
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As always, very interesting photos. Thank you very much. Hope we will see it again one day with all the other Serenissima cars.

 

Marvellous and thank you! ... Jona-Rapperswil?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaACO2urMZc

 

Le Mans 1966.
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No, I think this was still the workshop in Formigine (MO), where Filipinetti was based after Serenissima. At least engines were still there in 1973, after Scuderia Filipinetti was closed.
I found an article in an old Italian Auto Sprint magazine, where was written following information (after the take over from Filipinetti to Valtellina Racing in 1973)-Google translated :

.... ln waiting for the collector-buyer the car (*a Ferrari) remains closed c-stock certainly not earn, as well as the two three-liter Serenissima with engines built to a design by Massimino for Sasamotors.....

 

Correct, 'Il Magazzino' remained in via Ghiselli in Formigine after the closing of Serenissima Automobili s.r.l. (and Filipinetti). The pictured place is via Ghiselli (post 33-35, pictures R. Fehlmann).

And after Carrozzeria Gransport closed in via Toscanini, Aldo Silingardi and Gianni Diena moved from Sasamotors and took over those premisses for their new established firm 'Sport Auto'. In Formigine they were never involved.

 

Lazlo have a look to page 45 of old Italian Auto Sprint magazine (Valtellina Racing)
https://v8blog1973.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/as-73-44-i-19p.pdf