Smokers.....

No one has ever smoked in my Ferrari. Or my RX-7, Or my Miata. Duh.

 

I smoke in my 308 with the top off only. I do not smoke in my new 4Runner or any other car that I am not invited to do so in....It's always fun to get into somebody's new car, pull out a smoke and fire up a lighter to see the owner's face! BWAAAAAAAAAA!

 

Good stuff there Pete!

 

I smoke,,though not a whole lot compaired to some. i tred to quit not to long ago, but I fell off the wagon.

Yes I did smoke in my Ferrrari..but only if the roof was off, and for me a 3 hour drive was maybe a 2 cigarette drive. So the smoke damage to the car was nill..straight out the roof. The ash try was NEVER used..I instead used an old coffee cup with a little bit of water in the bottom, and then threw it out.

I think they should just ban cigarettes altoghether. I would make it easier to quit and the health care system would be much better off for it aswell. There are nothing but positives to gain if the entire industry were shut down.

Yea yea..jobs, tax money etc..but in the grand sceam of things..the money we would save by not having to keep pepole alive because of a choice they made to smoke, is much greater then a few tax dollars.

I somke because I do enjoy it, but make no mistake about it, I know its a discussting habit and if I keep doing it, no matter how little, it will take a few years off my life. I somtimes cannot take pepole smoking around me, and I sit in the non smoking sections of resteraunts (not that they have any anymore). But it is a pleasure to go places and not leave smelling like an ashtray.

 

OT, but wtf.

I'm a very considerate smoker, and i know it smells like poop to most ppl.

But its a personal rights issue. Would'nt everybody on this board be pissed off if we where told that we had to drive hybrid cars because our cars where unsafe, killed the enviroment, and smelled bad?

 

Tobacco has been around european culture since Rodrigo de Jerez discovered it in 1492 on Columbus' expedition.
(ObFerrari: Jerez as in Jerez Spain and the F1 track.)

Tobacco financed the British American colonies. British price-fixing on tobacco was one of the causes of the American Revolution.

So why, after 500 years, is there this sudden push to wipe out yet another native plant?

What, after half a millenium, has made tobacco "horrible", overnight?

"Because we can"? To test the ability of public opinion manipulators to "program" the public? To exercise the ability of spin doctors to impose their own story as "truth" to Wee the Sheeple?

Or is somebody making money off this anti-tobacco push?

The Sturgeon General in the 1950s wasn't the first to notice that it's not healthy -- not by several centuries.
(Even if Sir Walter Ralegh did think it was a cure for coughs.)

There's a helluvalotta money going into the anti-tobacco lobby. So where's the profit? Why is this suddenly a higher priority than criminal rehabilitation or well-paved freeways or public health care?

Ever wonder?

Trivia: On returning to Spain, Jerez was targeted by the Inquisition, because the sight of smoke coming from his mouth frightened the local children. 500 years later, western civilization has returned to being a culture of frightened children?

 

But he was a real Fish out of water when he came out like that!

 

I believe that Heroin and Opium Products go way back too. Any health and social issues there.
Ever wonder?

 

Oh those social issues are pretty obvious: if those drugs were legal, a tenth of what we waste on ineffective "interdiction" would put a rehab clinic on every street corner, the pharmaceuticals could "crank" out the stuff for pennies a ton, junkies could buy a lifetime supply for $5 without having to become thieves, ...

... and it would cut the legs out from under organized crime ---

--- and then where would political campaign financing be?

(When you hear that a politician was met by "a cheering mob" ...)

 

LOL! While I'll be the first to agree that a lot of anti-smokers are about as subtle as religous zealots, most people like myself who don't smoke couldnt care less if someone else does...just as long as they dont have to suffer the consequences (smell from fumes, health concerns from second hand smoke).
Is there any smoker here who would argue that this attitude is unfair?

What I find most humorous is how some smokers get themselves all worked up and pontificating when the whole issue of "smoking" is brought up to debate or discussion. Its as if they feel the need to defend their habit as if it isnt the suicidal addiction that it is.

I smoked for many years, and even in my most deluded state, would never try and defend my foolish choice. Most people I know who smoke feel the same way, they know its stupid(for so many reasons) but cant seem to find it in themselves to kick the habit. Its DAMN hard, believe me, but not impossible. But I would **** my pants with laughter if I heard one of them say they are supporting the "anti-establishment" movement, or quote me from the historical perspective of Tobaccos' influence on trade or culture.Really now, you dont say?,LOL!

So as I said before, please enjoy your smokes, I remember a time when I would have gladly joined you myself...but dont lose your perspective when someone suggests to you that your choice is interefering in their enjoyment..of food or fresh air, or whatever. After all, if you could quit as easily as by pressing a button...wouldnt you have pressed it long ago?

 

Actually: No. I did consider this quite some time ago. I thought about all the "advice" I'm getting about how to run my life: I should quit smoking. I shouldn't drink alcohol -- or coffee. I shouldn't eat red meat. I shouldn't enjoy fast cars (or fast women).

If I took all that advice, I still wouldn't live forever. It'd just seem like an eternity of boredom.

I hesitate when people demand that they not be subjected to being aware of the smell of tobacco. Does that also apply to the smell of certain foods? Or the results when people have to run to catch a bus in hot weather?

In cities, you are surrounded by people who aren't you. Live with it.

If you don't want to be enveloped in clouds of smoke, okay. But demanding that you never have to catch a scent of tobacco implies that you either live in Antarctica or don't work and play well with others.

The anti-smokers have to seriously ask themselves if they are really being put out, or are they just unwilling to accept reminders that others have made different choices? Look at the people who resent your choosing a Ferrari, instead of a "sensible" minivan. Would it be "reasonable" for people to demand that you drive it only where they can't see it, hear the exhaust, or smell the hot aluminum?

The historical perspective just brings to question: why the sudden "rush"? Why the need to convince everyone all at once? After all, if it's such a danger, the remaining smokers will "quit" within 70 or 80 years, no?

 

Well said!

There are some food odors (seafood) that makes me nauseous and the only thing I can do is leave, move to another area, or mask the smell with something else. You don't have others who feel the same calling to ban that, do you?

I play a game with people once in a while though they don't know it. I stand near a door with an unlit cigarette, 10-20 feet away in view of the door, pretend to smoke. Some people will still wave the air in front of their nose when they come out side even though there's zero smoke. Those are the people that as a light smoker I can't stand to be around.

Sunny

 

LOL,...your kidding right?

You mean to tell me you choose to smoke because others say you shouldnt..or they are trying to tell you how to run your life? LOL,what does that make you?..Rebel with a foolish cause? Life IS too short, but that doesnt mean its smart to kill yourself with full knowledge you are doing so.But your missing the point...smoking IS different than drinking booze,eating red meat,fast women,etc...because second hand smoke DOES kill people.You made your choice for yourself, and I can respect that, but should I have to put up with YOUR choice if it can affect MY health...I think not!

Or the historical perspective? Why the sudden rush? As we learn more about how the world works we change our perspectives/attitudes and society soon passes laws with these new "ideas" in place (as you know, this applies to more than just smoking...ie,ozone layer,red dye #4,and yes, even cars as per emission testing..)...nobody used to know how bad smoking was for you or others around you...there is no such comforting ignorance now.

Your comments seem to be the desperate by-products of your addiction...they dont hold much water..or logic. I guess its much like trying to discuss the pros and cons of drug addiction with a heroin addict...it will soon become nonsensical.Where in my post did I "demand" not to catch a wiff of tobacco smoke? Or did I simply refer to the smell as a consequence of being a smoker? Think you smell good after a butt? Think again...Think others around you at a resteraunt arent having their meals ruined when you light up? I believe they are...and this is ASIDE from the health consequences.

As I said in my original post, I really couldnt care less if someone smokes or not...I just dont want to suffer with them. Is that so unreasonable? Someone else posted a humorous analogy...its like someone pissing in your beer at a bar..."but dude, I HAD to pee"..at least thats more reasonable than "I HAD to smoke"

What I find so funny is the ways in which SOME smokers feel the need to justify/defend their habit by implying its not as bad as it seems...its just the non smokers have blown it all out of purportion..or that they, the smokers, are the last true gunslingers in a robotisized "big brother" society. Truly hilarious!

Please, dont take this wrong.Smoke in your cars,house, in the great outdoors..if I see you, believe me, I will turn the other way rather than go up to you and complain or preach or wave my hands through the smoke. But when we have to share the same air space..would you like me farting in your face..or blowing mild doses of arsenic in your nose..I doubt it!

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go clean the **** out of my pants from all this laughing Ive been doing...I wouldnt want to "offend" anyone with a wiff of that!

 

I do what I wish in my 550. Where I live, people do many things inside their car. Most have been done in my car including smoking various things.

12 cylinders or walk

 

Not a big moral issue, but I wouldn't buy a smoked-in car. Smells bad forever, and anyone who would trash their body probably doesn't take care of their car much better. There may be exceptions, but very often (having a brother in the car biz and having been in it myself a while back) smokers' cars are bad news.

 

No, I don't quit just because narrow minded people tell me to.

Your comments seem to be the desperate attempt to mis-interpret and laugh at any viewpoints not your own.

The point ...
<snip>
... is well out of your reach.

The proliferation of conformist drones flinging minutia at the other monkeys is one of the reasons that I don't feel like I have to mutate my lifestyle in a futile attempt to live forever, just to see where society is going to wind up. Where it's headed don't smell so good, neither.

But if smoking is going to kill me, it better hurry up: it's got a lot of competition in today's world ... according to the fear mongers.

 

Have a smoke, Gunslinger....you've earned it!

 

What a total load of BS. From your earlier query about why all of a sudden tobacco is now bad can you say chemical additives?? If you are rolling your own organic tobacco, you are involved in a wholly different proposition than the chemically laced sticks available today.
Second, as far as the foolish bravado of "toughing it out against the tide of anti smoking advice, let me ask you have you ever seen someone dying of lung cancer? Its a very unfortunate and hard death, not one to wish on anyone.
There was an old guy who lived near my business, who I had aquiantance with, who used to talk like you do about "his right to smoke" and I once watched him smoke a cigarette through his tracheotomy tube. By your line of reasoning, that would make him a hero, eh?

 

May I present the following exchange:

*puff*

EXCUSE ME - YOUR SMOKE IS BOTHERING ME.

No worries, it's Organic.

OH, WELL, THAT'S DIFFERENT, MY BAD. GO RIGHT AHEAD AND ENJOY, AND PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR INTERRUPTING.

 

And, what about littering? For some reason a large number of smokers feel it is ok to throw a lit and burning object out of their car window. This confuses me.
A few years ago I was standing in front of an upscale Atlanta Hotel waiting for the valet to bring up my car. Next to me was a very nicely dressed young man in a business suit also waiting for his car. He was eating a candybar, and smoking a cigarette. He finished his candybar and very carefully and neatly folded it up, walked over to the waste can on a light pole and threw it in the garbage can. Shortly after that his car arrived and as he stepped off the curb he flicked the burning cigarette into the street. I'm still confused I guess.

 

My point was about the nature of the additives and how they make smoking much more harmful, not that second hand smoke is ok, organic or not.

 

I WILL NOT TOLERATE cigarette smoking in my car!

Cigars are always welcome!!

 

Tobacco is a plant -- it's bio-degradable.

The filters, on the other hand, never go away -- disposing of them properly is one of my hang-ups, too. I wind up cleaning up after a lot of other smokers out front of the building.

I don't toss cigs out of car windows, either -- they make for lousy road traction.

(I sometimes wonder whether mis-interpretation is one of the new "debating techniques" people learn from the internet, or whether individuals expect everyone else's views to be silly: so when what they think the other guy said sounds silly, they never wonder if maybe the listener/reader got it wrong.)
(The Martian canals are certainly the work of intelligent life --- but on which end of the telescope? - Carl Sagan)

 

Two people should not smoke in the same car, as the ashes can not vent out of the car properly with two windows cracked. This does not apply if you are driving through a dry forest in August

 

Pete was here!
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