208/gtb/gts turbo

A general rule is:
The cost of upgrading a car with more power will cost the same if not more than buying the model with the same power already present.

Good luck.

 

Olá Ricardo!
Pah,tenho uns artigos altamente sobre o que estás a perguntar.
Nomeadamente tenho um comparativo (em Italiano) entre o GTS Turbo e o 328 normal.
Em Portugal parece melhor a compra do 208 devido ao imposto automóvel, mas se tiveres em conta que um carro com mais de 8 anos (como estes tem) paga menos 67% de IA (em caso de importação) o que acaba por nivelar um bocado as coisas.
Eu estou em Lisboa agora (sou de Aveiro) mas por alto poss-te dizer que entre os links todos e artigos que recolhi sobre estes dois carros o 328 é mais linear, mais rápido na resposta e mais performante.
O 208 tem mais binário mas tem o chamado "turbo-lag" que prejudica a suavidade de condução (atraso na resposta devido aos turbos) para alem de que a nível de consumos o 208 Turbo tem um consumo quase "proibitivo" - isto para um Ferrari!!!
Se não estou em erro consegues arranjar em Itália 208 Turbo por +/- 35000€ e 328 por 40000€ o que, para mim e depois de tudo analisado acaba por fazer pender o pendulo para o 328.
Quanto aos "upgrades" do 208 Turbo podes fazê-los, mas como já te disseram aqui o custo de os efectuares não compensa o ganho.
Para alem do facto de estares a por em sério risco a fiabilidade de um motor cuja capacidade volumetrica está já extremamente bem aproveitada...
No fds se quiseres posso-te mandar uns ficheiros sobre isto.

Espero ter ajudado.

Fica bem!

Cheers everybody!

Miguel

 

There are a few way you could go on the upgrades. I don't like very high boost turbo engines on the street, I think 15 psi is the practical limit.

My opinion is that that there is no replacement for displacement. So find a good used 328 engine and put it in the car and don't tell the tax people what you did. Another option is to put a 328 crank, rods pistons (you might need custom pistons) into your engine, that why it still has a 2 liter serial number on it.

Then, put your turbo plumbing back on. The stock turbo might get you 5 psi or so, I'd need to see graphs on it to be sure, you might need a slightly larger one. That would put you around 350 hp and be a very drivable car without any reliability worries. If you still want more, a bigger turbo would push you up around 450 @ 15psi, but you'll need a better clutch. If you are will to live with a lot of lag and a really big step in the torque curve, you could push the boost up to 22-24 and have about 600 hp and and even better clutch, I'm using a triple disk carbon-carbon http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4309.

I guess if your willing to live with a lot of lag and a really big step in the torque curve, you could justr boost the stock engine up to 22-24 and see about 350-400 hp. You could also do some work on it to bump the redline up to around 9000-9500, that would buy you another 15%.

I think the best thing to do would be convert to EFI for about $3k. It should be possible to recalibrate the CIS stuff, but I don't know anything about doing it.

I would also recomend upgrading to modern shocks with stiffer springs

 

Hi

@Miguel
soy de España y tengo un Ferrari GTSTurbo 1987, estoy muy interesado en leer cualquier cosa referente al GTS/GTB Turbo. Puedo leer en cualquier idioma, solo se escribir bien en Español
Si puedo ayudaros en algo que querais saber de este coche, decidmelo.

Saludos.

Alfredo.

 

Hola, yo no se mucho sobre el 208 turbo. (Yo vivo en florida, estados unidos) Pero lo que yo vi aca fue un coche 208gts turbo que es mas rapido que un 328gts o gtb version americana. El mecanico me dijo que era un modelo europeo y que sus modificaciones eran menores. De yo estar en europa probablemente el 208 turbo seria mi compra ya que este es mas facil de modificar, con turbos se puede hacer mucha diferencia. De ser el coche un 328 entonces seria mas costoso el modificarlo sin usar un turbo. Bob Norwood tiene turbos para 308 y 328 que ofrece a buen precio, su website es "norwoodperformance". Suerte en tu compra, hasta luego...

 

Ricardo, si hablas de Allanlambo a lo mejor te refieres al mismo 208 turbo del que yo mencione, Allan vivio en florida creo que cerca de Fort Lauderdale y yo vivi en esa misma area. Asi que lo que el diga posiblemente sea cierto, digo esto porque muchos piensan que el es un charlatan.

 

Hola a Todos

@Ricardo
Referente al 330d he leido sobre los chip de potencia a los que te refieres, efectivamete la potencia del motor aumenta a 220 cv y el par motor a 50 nm, es recomendable solo si piensas mantener el coche hasta los 80 o 100 mil Km., lo digo por que después, probablemente surgirán problemas de transmisión, embrague o como en un caso que conozco, avería en los pistones.
Yo no te recomiendo que lo pongas en tu 320cd.
Referente al GTSTurbo, yo lo tengo como capricho, solo lo uso algunos domingos y entre tanto, me gusta estar cuidándolo. La forma de funcionar del 330d y el GtsTurbo es muy distinta, el 330d tiene, como sabes, una aceleración plena e intensa desde muy bajas revolucionas hasta las 4500 y el Gts Turbo es muy distinto, hasta las 3000 rpm tiene un poco de "Turbo lag" pero cuando pasa esta cifra, viene el estallido de potencia y tiene unos segundos de aceleración plena e intensa que te deja pegado al asiento hasta las 6500 rpm., teniendo en cuenta que es un coche para pasear un rato, es estupendo, el rato que te estas paseando estas disfrutando. Yo estoy muy contento con el.

@Testacojones

Hay 3 series de 208, dos de ellas con turbo, entre estas dos hay diferencias importantes, el primer 208 sin turbo solo tenia 155hp, la siguiente versión ya con un turbo KKK tenia 220 hp y la ultima, el Gtb/GtsTurbo, con un turbo japones IHI, tiene 254 hp.

Saludos.

Alfredo.

 

The question comes back to you, is it a street car or a track car? For the street the stock brakes are fine, for the track they are OK with stock size tires. For the track on big sticky tires, you'll want big brakes and could easily spend $3k and will probably spend $5k. I spent about $2200 on large 2 piece rotors but have not decided what to do about calipers yet. Same is true for shocks. Stock koni replacements are about $600. I'm quite happy with the ohlins STJ shocks I purchased, they were $2400 with springs. The next step up to a better shock was $3200 if I recall and the best is around $5k

Good wheels are expensive. Used 360 wheels can be had for around $2k if you shop. I have 550 wheels on mine that I paid about that for. After market prices run from about $1000 for pretty heavy wheel up to $5k or $6k for the set. Tires run $600-$2400 for the set.

HP. 350hp could be done from the 2 liter engine. I would plan on stiffer valve springs ($1000), EFI convertion ($3000), new turbo ($2000), free flow exhaust ($1500), clutch $600. So the total is about $8100 if you do the work yourself. To get the 2 liter to 400+, Ti rods, pistons, head porting, cams, plan on putting $10k-$15k of parts in the engine plus the $8100 for the other stuff. A good used 3.2 liter engine is $7500-$10000, plus the $8100 and you'll get to 450, add another $10k to get to 600.

Are you going to do the work yourself? If not the part costs will only be about 1/2 to 2/3 of the total bill.

Here's a couple threads I posted while building mine 308. If you search the archieves (old and new), there is also a guy with a very nice twin turbo 308

http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/112/315437.html
http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/112/324659.html
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4309