Talk it up Rubens, talk it up ...

Imperial83 actually races Karts?

From what I've witnessed on Fchat recently, I wouldn't have thought he could race a wheelbarrow to the compost heap...

 

Pete,

A question for you. You say in this post that MS "WILL definitely have a go if given half a chance." Then you say in regard to JPM, "If he had a go I would definitely think about letting him through to save my race ..." Considering your perception of MS and the fact that you are saying you would let someone by to save your race, how do you know that this is not the case with RB in the first restart at the USGP? Maybe RB knows very well that MS is going to do everything he can to get by and RB figures discretion is the better part of valor. You have been slamming RB for not doing more to stop MS getting by, so which is it? Was RB "saving his race" or is he just a doormat for MS to wipe his feet on as he goes by?

 

Well i do not claim to be a racer. All I have is a little go karting experience. Still do a little karting just for a the fun of it.

Any way like I said before...

OPTION 1) Be safe, win the drivers' and constructors' world championship
OPTION 2) Drive like a maniac and kill yourself
OPTION 3) Give your teammate a thumping and crash both cars

Oh this is such a hard choice... decsions decisions... what are Ferrari, MS and RB going to do? What will they do?

I say let us see them thump each other out of the remaining races... golly then we can have a thumping good time... they will be real racers if they give each other a thumping and thump each other out on turn 1.

Everyone that would like to see both Ferrari cars crash out of the remainder of the races please raise your hand?
Thank you now those who raised their hands, can you call yourselves Williams fans and have a thumping good time seeing your cars never finish another race.

On to Magny Cours and another Ferrari 1 - 2!!!!

 

The argument about the two Ferraris taking each other out is a valid one IMHO. I was thinking about Canada and Indy where I thought that it was obvious RB was faster. However what we don't know is really how hard is MS trying? It could be that RB gives it his 100%, whereas MS drones around just fast enough to be ahead of #3. So from that perspective it does make sense to hold RB back, after all this season is about preserving the engine.

So I don't think MS and RB would do a JPM/RS stint and just knock each other out, but they might race each other to the point that an engine reaches its limit.

The point I don't get about imperial83's statement is the joy about another 1-2. Maybe I'm jaded (and don't deserve to call myself a tifosi anymore), but I wouldn't mind seeing somebody else win for a change. Just for once.

 

Well you see I remember all those years when each victory was dear and it took so much time to even see a Ferrari driver on the podium. Human memory is very short. I have loved every minute of Formula 1 racing since 1999. Ferrari, Michael and Rubens deserve all the points they are getting and all the victories. The people that complain state Rubens' is not a racer and Michael is only winning because Rubens' is not pushing him will be the people who are first in line whinning when Ferrari go through another decade or so without a Ferrari winning the title.

As I said human memory is very short. I was there when Williams and McLarens dominated the 80's and 90's. Patience is a virtue. But now its all about the next Ferrari 1 - 2 !!!

 

I was there as well. And the reason I'd like to see somebody else win for once is to savour the moment even more when the red cars win again. It's kinda like drinking a couple of glasses of water between sips of a great red. Don't just pour it down, savour the moment.

PS: I wouldn't be surprised if Michelin pulls out all the stops to have one of their cars win in France.

 

I should be studying but I'll chip in here and avoid discussing MS except to say that the true measure of his character was in repeatedly driving past his brother slumped motionless in the remains of the Williams.

Back to the discussion. Rubens has been #2 for a while and it may be that the BARs and Renaults are slowly getting closer to Ferrari. When (or maybe if) either of these is a quick as the Ferrari then staying stuck as #2 at Ferrari isn't the best place to be if you want a crack at the drivers title. And yet there may not be a drive available with any other front running teams when (if) that time comes. Do you stay bridesmaid or do you go?

 

I was thinking about that myself. To his defense he was probably in radio contact with pit lane and knew what was going on. But it was a far cry from the sixties or seventies when other racers immediately stopped to attend to a fallen comrade let alone brother (note: Lauda wouldn't have survived Nuerburgring without help from other drivers). Then again, MS didn't stop for Senna either. However it is questionable whether today's drivers are even expected to. If it were my brother, I had stopped though.

 

So you Michael to stop his car, get out of it in the middle of the track to go rescue his brother? yes that would have been real smart and passionate. Create more obstacles for the marshals to clear on a track already scattered with debris. If you want to blame anyone, blame Charlie Whiting, the idiot that did not red flag the race.

Michael showed his true grit, determination and strong character by believing in the Marshals and the rescue personell. Michael looked at the debris several times and slowed down everytime he passed by his brother to see him. Hind sight also tells us he was in constant Radio communication with his team and was asking about his brother condition. How another racer could have completed the race if their brother was being taken in a hospital. Michael showed that he is a true champ that knows the show must go on. He was comforted a little bit by the fact when he was Radioed the message that Ralf wanted to get out of the car by himself but the ambulance and rescue staff was a precautionary measure.

Michael is a very passionate and very smart driver. I bet you every single one of the race drivers that day wanted to stop their car and help Ralf including Michael. Atleast most of them had the brains not to and let the trained rescue staff do their job.

Yes tifosi12, Michelin will pull out all the stops for France but they don't have a Ferrari to power them to the finish line. Ferrari 1 - 2!!!

 

Peronally i think Sato will win before Barichello. I hope he does. He's a great guy. We sat next to him and Button thurs. night at dinner. Both nice guys. Sato consistently drove the wheels off his car sunday. He posted extremely fast laps all race.

 

As I understand it the other drivers had to get out and help because no one else was going to.

 

I thought I was on your ignore list...
Please continue to be ignorant about all the hard work the Ferrari team is putting in and for every deserving victory!

So a Mclaren or Williams 1 - 2 is great racing, A Ferrari 1 - 2 is staged sorry unethical boring bad for the sport cheating... OK I get your logic! Sounds good!

On to Magny Cours and another Ferrari 1 - 2!!!

 

Just not as fast as Barichello's laps.

 

Consider that success in WDC and WCC, given the current flat point scheme, rewards reliability and consistency far more so than dramatic wins. Given that, a lot of Ferrari's success is derived from the incredible reliability of the cars. Consider that the reliability of those cars is tremendously aided by the fact that MS and RB get sooo far ahead early in the race that they can cruise the latter half of it.

Soooo, if RB starts doing as you guys are begging... if rather than testing MS for a bit until he finds that beating him is not a reality and then backs off so that both Ferraris finish... if instead he pressured MS as much as possible until he made a mistake (as either would to JPM or Alonso or whoever), then the Ferraris would finish 1-2 much less often... reliability of the Ferraris is probably not that good.

Consider the commentary the week prior that RB was pressuring hard for a while and then dropped back... why?... because his brakes were starting to go. He wants to finish first... but if that involves significant likelihood of getting no points, he'd rather take the 2nd place points and stay in the hunt.

Finally, consider this... all it would take is a little rash of bad luck... JPM bumps, blown engines, random shrapnel from prior accident, whatever... where MS doesn't finish the race a few times, and RB will have the lead in the WDC. Given the current points system, a 2nd is almost as good as first... and MS's luck could easily run dry for a while.

 

SATO ............ SATO........ That stupid japanese Kamakaze in a Ferrari!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is a ricer Honda driver! He will never be given a contract to Ferrari F1 car.
I don't think any true Ferrari fan would want that lunatic behind the wheel of a Ferrari.

On to Magny Cours... for another Ferrari 1 - 2!!!... with 2 smart and great racing drivers!

 

Amen. At a minimum we might have seen Rubens fighting to defend his 2nd place against the aggressive Sato.

 

And then we would have seen Sato ram into Rubens side in a kamakazee stunt.
Then he would have to pit to get a nose replacement
Then Sato would have ended up in 4th.
Then his engine would have blown up again due to overheating in the extra pit stop.

Yes I agree... much better scenario... I think I have seen it happen before!!!

 

Bring on the racism. Nice. If Sato has got what it takes then I don't see why he shouldn't drive for Ferrari. He wouldn't take it up the *ss from MS as much as Rubens does.

 

Some of you will deny it... but I guarantee you'd be *****ing big time about Ferrari's incompetence in pairing Sato with MS after he'd taken out himself and MS twice, and drove his car into failures every other race. Ferrari would have only the slimmest of lead in the WCC. It would be "exciting"... but you'd be hating on Ferrari's #2 much worse than you are now... you'd say things like "Ferrari could have a good lead in the series if he wasn't such an idiot!"

Now, now... don't deny it! You know its true!

 

Shuey the best driver in F1 ever????????????

Senna
Fangio
Surtees

Shuey would bow in their presence...........he's good, but he ain't all that.

Ruben's finishing 2nd and close to Michael only prooves how superior the F2004 really is now.

And I'm a Ruben's fan. But he has NEVER been the same since the ill fated F1 season of 10 years ago......that's why you don't see him taking any "at all cost" chance passes.