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big hole in 1 piston??

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  1. HJ dinogt4register.com

    HJ dinogt4register.com Formula Junior

    Dec 13, 2003
    253
    almelo,holland
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    hendrikJan Letteboer
    I 've got a slight problem with my 208 gt'4
    we watched with an endoscope in the hole of the spark plug after we heard an ugly noice, and the piston of the first cylinder has a very big hole in it.
    what did go wrong? carburettor set-up? wrong sparkplugs?
    wrong gasoline? (super with a lead adjustment)
    didn;t drive to fast, about 95 mph. on german autobahn.
    oil pressure ok, oil temp ok,
    just had big maintenance with belts, filters etc. new. original ferrariparts.
    sparkplug isn't melted.

    any idea's please let me know...
    :(
     
  2. sduke

    sduke Formula Junior

    Mar 10, 2003
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    The Hub City, Texas
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    Steven D
    Best first guess, pre-ignition

    There are other possibilities, but detonation causes most piston failure.

    What was your initial timing and what is the total timing?
    You say you had super unleaded but what was the octane rating?
    Your carburetion could be causing a severe lean-misfire. Do you have access to a gas analyzer? Does the engine spit back on hard acceleration?

    There are a lot of possibilities, but I would focus on timing. Both ignition and cam timing should be double checked.

    Sorry about your predicament. Let us know what you find.

    good luck
     
  3. Fiat Dino 206

    Fiat Dino 206 Karting

    Apr 19, 2004
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    Mississippi
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    David

    I agree with the above conclusion that pre-ignition detonation is likely the problem and suggest that you check the type and gap of spark plug that you were using.

    You may find destructive detonation within the cylinder without the total "meltdown" of the modern sparkplug. You might see some discoloration of the ceramic and still have the electrodes intact. (The operating temperature of the plug should not exceed 850 degrees C., if it has exceeded this temperature there should be some discoloration and/or blistering of the ceramic.)

    If a modern platinum or iridium plug of a heat range greater than that originally recommended was used (out of the box) without adjusting the gap to the recommended range for you particular engine, there is a possibility that a problem with timing (cam or ignition) could have been amplified by the plug causing the destruction of the piston.

    You did not mention that your particular car might be a 208 GT/4 Turbo, so one assumes that your vehicle is the standard 208 GT/4.

    Best of luck in locating the cause of your problem!

    Best wishes
     
  4. slewman

    slewman Karting

    May 4, 2004
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    HJ, look inside the cylinder again. Try to look inside while someone turns the engine slowly by hand. You will be looking to see if the intake and exhaust valves open and close normal. I have seen the head of exhaust valves break off and fall into the cylinder . The piece of valve breaks the top of the piston and then is forced back through the exhaust valve seat.
     
  5. HJ dinogt4register.com

    HJ dinogt4register.com Formula Junior

    Dec 13, 2003
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    hendrikJan Letteboer
    hI SDUKE!
    it was a 98 gasoline...with an lead adjustment...
    I'LL LET YOU KNOW WhaT IT WAS, i think it is from the carburettor, because the piston looks now like a exploded vulcano, so overheated..
    the spark plug isn't melted, but broken because something crashed it...
    i'll place the pictures on this thread when i've got the heads of..
    best regards and thanks for the reply,
    hajee
     
  6. HJ dinogt4register.com

    HJ dinogt4register.com Formula Junior

    Dec 13, 2003
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    hendrikJan Letteboer

    thanks for your replys!
    i'll let you know here on fchat what the cause was for the problem,
    right now it looks like an exploded vulcano(really burned...)
    so when i'm finished rebuilding the engine, i'm going to have the carburettors
    done and well adjusted, get some new, old type spark plugs with the right gap, then it should go again!!
    thanks very much,
    best regards, hendrik-jan
     
  7. 208 GT4

    208 GT4 Formula 3

    Dec 27, 2003
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    Dan
    I once had a hole in a piston on a motorbike (thankfully!).

    It was due to overheating because it was running too lean.

    Agree with the suggestions so far, but would also be worth checking there isn't an air leak causing #1 cyl to run lean?

    Dan
     
  8. Fiat Dino 206

    Fiat Dino 206 Karting

    Apr 19, 2004
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    David
  9. HJ dinogt4register.com

    HJ dinogt4register.com Formula Junior

    Dec 13, 2003
    253
    almelo,holland
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    hendrikJan Letteboer
    thanks for the replys guys!
    i'll let you know if i can find the exact reason and waht it exactly was.
    best regards, hajee
     
  10. LopeAlong

    LopeAlong Formula Junior

    Mar 29, 2004
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    West of St. Louis
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    Jim
    Just a thought - you mentioned that the spark plug was destroyed because something hit it. I wonder if maybe you lost a chunk of ceramic off the plug and that might have caused the whole shamoozal. You said all the other plugs looked good. I understand that detonation may not be noticable on frequent plug changes, but to cause this kind of damage you would think there would be other evidence??? What do the other cylinders look like? That is why I am thinking maybe plug fragments. A buddy of mine lost a piston to a chunk of ceramic on his Lotus. It got plenty hot in there before he shut it down - pretty little melted hole. All the other pistons were fine.

    Good luck! Let us know what the medical examiner finds!

    Jim
     
  11. cinquevalvole

    cinquevalvole Formula 3

    Feb 6, 2004
    1,161
    Germany, Bayern
    Wrong spark plugs can cause sparks from plug to piston.
    Result is a hole in the piston.
    I would consider an upgrade to 3.0 liter in the old block.

    good luck

    cinquevalvole
     

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