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  1. Jdubbya

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    #26 Jdubbya, Jul 18, 2004
    I have to agree with what Crawford said. I would start with Pay-Pal (if you used them), and go from there. Don't let this guy steal your money. It's the few people like him who get away with ripping people off that are making it harder to buy or sell decent stuff on E-bay.

    My only bad experience with e-bay was when I paid for one small item with a money order. The seller claimed it never got there (and I believe him), but I knew I sent it. The post office was not much help in tracking it down, but they did eventually give me a refund.
     
  2. sparta49

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    #27 sparta49, Jul 18, 2004
    that's what I first thought but if Ferrari has made them available for free over the internet they would have a hard time proving that they were having their "intellectual property" stolen would they not??
     
  3. dm_n_stuff

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    #28 dm_n_stuff, Jul 18, 2004
    Nope.

    You have to be a car owner to get access to the site. And it has a code of conduct that you have to agree to, which includes:

    "The Ferrari Owners' Site was, in fact, set up with the idea of providing owners with in-depth content, services and information about products that give you an even better understanding of the marque and its cars."

    and,

    "Copyright Ferrari SpA. All rights reserved. No part of the contents (photos, designs, texts, videos or audio recordings) published on the Ferrari Owners’ Site may be reproduced in any form without written permission from Ferrari."

    So, yes it is copyright infringement to reproduce the manuals and sell them.

    We'll see if Ferrari is interested. They work hard to protect their logos, etc., so we'll see if they are interested in this, too.
     
  4. coachi

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    #29 coachi, Jul 18, 2004
     
  5. coachi

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    #30 coachi, Jul 18, 2004
    I did email Ferrari about this. They never ever responded. That Randall contacted through FChat and not EBay. It has been quite some time, at least a year or more. This guy is still at it. What a shame. I still have my cancel;led $ 100.00 check that he cashed before he mailed me my manual. I say ban him for sure.
     
  6. dm_n_stuff

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    #31 dm_n_stuff, Jul 18, 2004
    Do you have his street address?
     
  7. coachi

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    #32 coachi, Jul 18, 2004
    will look for it...check your PM...thanks
     
  8. davey_jones

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    #33 davey_jones, Jul 18, 2004

    If you have the cancelled check, does it not have the bank account # he deposited your money into on it? If enough people come down on this guy he's going to have some legal/financial problems. Let's find out what town he's in and start calling the authorities. I put up with this crap on our websites all the time and it really bothers me that people can get away with it.
     
  9. coachi

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    #34 coachi, Jul 18, 2004
    a year or so ago when he contacted after I had posted on FerrariChat, I had his name, his address, both his phone numbers,and I even pulled a credit report on him after he scammed me. I think Ihave some of that information stashed somewhere in my office and will look for it tomorrow. The lawyer who checked on this guy told me he had serious doubts that this guy could possibly own a Ferrari. I thought then he should have been punished and still do. Everytime I think about him, my blood boils a little. A whole year or longer has not allowed me to forget.
     
  10. dm_n_stuff

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    #35 dm_n_stuff, Jul 18, 2004
    "Likeyou" now claims the product he sent me would cost $1800 at a Ferrari dealer in anemail I just received.

    Wanted to know what he should do to make it right.

    Told him, refund in full, I send back the disk, all is forgiven.

    His ebay account is suspended, he is no longer a registered user.

    Stay tuned for more action packed adventures.
     
  11. coolestkidever

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    #36 coolestkidever, Jul 18, 2004
    I say you kill him, solves everyones problems
     
  12. coachi

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    #37 coachi, Jul 18, 2004
    hey kid, killing someone, even in jest, is not funny. If you want to contribute to a thread, please think and post intelligently. Thank you. I know you meant no harm, but the gist of it is not funny.
     
  13. Chiaroman

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    #38 Chiaroman, Jul 18, 2004
    Did you get your $$ back?

    Tom
     
  14. dm_n_stuff

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    #39 dm_n_stuff, Jul 19, 2004
    Tom

    Drop me a pm with an email address and I'll give you the update.

    Dave
     
  15. coachi

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    #40 coachi, Jul 19, 2004
    I vaguely recall last week while cleaning my office, I ran into a print out of the emails that I had with R G, randy gilbert, and I think I threw them in the trash. I did find R G in my computer address book, at [email protected]. A google search for Randy Gilbert in Penssylvania produced two addresses, neither of which sounded familiar. I will continue searching, but I could not find my emails with that thief in my dleted files. I do have the cancelled check for $ 100 made out to Randy Gilbert on 12/04/03 which was cashed on 12/10/04.

    Eureka! Just found the address. 1000 Wade Lane Oakmont, PA 15139.

    I hope this helps. Keep me posted
     
  16. dm_n_stuff

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    #41 dm_n_stuff, Jul 19, 2004
    Randall, likeyoudontknow, [email protected], [email protected], time to settle up with us fchatters.

    Drop us a note here, or respond to your emails, we'd really like to clear this up.

    Randall, is this you??

    GILBERT, R W JR
    100 Wade Ln
    Oakmont, PA 15139-1235
    (412) 828-8325
     
  17. coachi

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    #42 coachi, Jul 19, 2004
    I just sent hom a threatening email, told me to send my money back..or else. I hope he enjoys reading that.
     
  18. atheyg

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    #43 atheyg, Jul 19, 2004
    Why let him off the hook?

    A Leopard doesn't change his spots, he has done this before and for quite awhile and will do this again. How may others has he burned also?
     
  19. coachi

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    #44 coachi, Jul 19, 2004



    The email I sent to [email protected] has been returned, therefore no longer a valid address for this crook to scam people into

    I wonder why I am not surprised?
     
  20. coachi

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    #45 coachi, Jul 19, 2004
    interesting...he emailed me back saying he did not know what I was talking about...then he said he would be willing to send me a hard copy...he must have a printer and will print the manual for me...I told him only a factory original will do as this is what I bargained for specifically.
     
  21. dm_n_stuff

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    #46 dm_n_stuff, Jul 19, 2004
    Tried the same crap with me yesterday. Told him a refund was the only solution.
     
  22. dm_n_stuff

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    #47 dm_n_stuff, Jul 20, 2004
    Here's Randy's latest attempt to solve the problem.

    From:R Kres [[email protected]]

    Dear Sir,

    We apologize for the delay in responding to you. Our server has been experiencing problems and blocking many e-mails.

    To respond to your pay pal claim.
    You received a wonderful deal at $50.00 USD. ************.com charges $299.99 plus shipping for the same manual on cd-rom so we are somewhat confused at to why you are not content with a 85% savings???

    We prefer to handle this as professionally as possible and avoid the associated name-calling and subsequent emotions. If a hard copy is preferred we will do everything possible to assist you in your efforts at no charge.

    If there is something else wrong with you order, please let us know and we will do everything possible to make a wrong in your eyes a right.

    Thanks!

    Don't think this is gonna get it done. Guess I'll just keep contacting him until he decides to pay me back.

    Time for a telemarketing campaign, I think.
     
  23. jimpo1

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    #48 jimpo1, Jul 20, 2004
    Just respond, "I'm not happy with an 85% savings because I can get the manual from the owners site for FREE!"
     
  24. sparta49

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    #49 sparta49, Jul 20, 2004
    If these items were sent through the mail then you can contact the Postal Police since he used the USPO to commit fraud also since if it was done over state lines or involved a credit card call the FBI for wire fraud violations. He has some other manuals on ebay right now I sent a email asking if it was from the owners site and have not received a response
     
  25. sparta49

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    #50 sparta49, Jul 20, 2004
    Just got my reply here it is still side stepping the question.... but you guys have irritated him a little

    "LET ME MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE'S READING COMPREHENSION
    IS A LITTLE LACKING OF LATE....

    1. YOU WILL RECEIVE THE WORKSHOP REPAIR MANUAL
    2. YOU WILL RECEIVE THE OWNERS SERVICING MANUAL
    3. YOU WILL RECEIVE THE SPARE PARTS MANUAL

    IF YOU DESIRE HARD COPY, THEN SPECIFY
    IF YOU DESIRE CD-ROM THEN SPECIFY

    QUITE SIMPLE MY FRIEND....

    THANKS,

    RANDALL"
     
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