Ferrari's styling still suck! #2

Thats your opinion. I happen to like the enzo and 360 quite a bit. I dont like how much the 430 (if what we've seen is infact what the 430 will look like) looks like a grinning 360, or how much it resembles it overall. I was hoping for an overhaul, something new.

The scalgati wasn't designed to be extreme I dont believe. With that in mind though, it still doesnt do it for me.

 

I for one thing don't find the 612 Scaglietti ugly. I've seen them in real life. They look much better than on pictures. Very wide and low cars with beautiful and harmonic lines. The 612 looks more luxurious than sporty. It was aimed at the same 4-passenger segment that the Quattroporte wants. Plenty of power, but still comfy for 4 adults. The one in my neighbourhood is Racing Red and it sure does turn heads. Yes, the classic Ferraris look better, but as far as the new ones go - the 612 is the prettiest in my book. The headlights migh have been different, but the sideline and the rear are gorgeous. Well, it's just a matter of taste. I really dislike how the Enzo looks tho. Front is unberable and the whole car seems more like a tribute to Ferrari achievements in the F1 championships. It looks too edgy, jagged and well overly sharp. Yes, the technology behind it is a masterpiece, but the design makes it undesireable for me (not that i can afford it anyway). Same goes for Veyron, BTW.

 

Some words from the wise passed through the ages:

This famous aphorism is often misquoted, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder":
Remember how in that communion only, beholding beauty with the eye of the mind,
he will be enabled to bring forth, not images of beauty,
but realities (for he has hold not of an image but of a reality),
and bringing forth and nourishing true virtue to become the friend of God and be immortal, if mortal man may."
- Plato

Whatever is in any way beautiful hath its source of beauty in itself, and is complete in itself; praise forms no part of it. So it is none the worse nor the better for being praised.
- Marcus Aurelius Antoninus

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.
- Albert Einstein

 

the front of the new car is not too bad, the rear though looks like Chris hit it with his Banglestick

 

No one will see this but me

....but I see a bit of the 288 GTO wide low flare (that I miss so much from the exotic 80's Ferrari cars) in this New Little Beauty.

 

I tend to agree
anything Ferrari has come out with lately is looking goofy'r and goofy'r

i'm not impressed

makes you wonder where their headed

maybe they need a new design firm to help them

 

With the 612 and Enzo, one cannot comment without seeing them in person. Spy photo are just that. The 430 styling is such that people are already in line for one. For that matter the Murcielago and Gallardo look much better in person.

 

When i first saw the enzo and 612 in pictures i wasn't wild about them but when i saw them in person i changed my mind completely. They both look great and convey the image the want, super fast and agressive (enzo), and luxerious but still faster than your benz (612).

I hope that this trend continues with the 420 because i am not thrilled with the pictures i have seen.

As far as the 575 replacement the only pics i have seen is the test mule which basically looks like a shorter 612. If anyone has other pics i would like to see them otherwise i think its way to early to speculate about its styling.

 

Most pictures don´t do cars any justice, this is very much the case with exotics. Yesterday, I visited the Ferrari importers here in the Netherlands. Outside was a brand new, just delivered, SILVER Enzo. At the first pictures I did not like it, but now that I have seen several, I think it is great. Still a bit weird compared to the old school exotics, but a great car. The silver looked awesome on the Enzo!

Same story with the 612, although I still don´t like the overall lenght and the nose, it looks far better in person than on a picture.

About the 430: I guess it will be the same story, but I do hope those spy pics posted recently is not the actual shape to come...

 

Ferrarichat dissent over newest styling is getting REALLY old REALLY fast

1. When did Ferrarichat turn into a broken record? Do you guys have a pact that you’ll say the same thing over and over again until all of our heads explode?

2. More importantly, why on EARTH did this require a separate thread when this one already exists? http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24513 ernie, are you so proud of your post, so convinced of its uniqueness and its vital contribution to the site, that it required its own topic. How about reading other threads before you post? Are you that cocky to think that your comment is so prophetic that it doesn’t belong in the thread I’ve posted?

3. With regard to your actual comment about styling, I’ll repeat what I’ve already posted elsewhere:
Everyone who talks about Ferrari going soft conveniently has memory that only goes back to the 1980s. The Testarossa is, arguably, one of the most radical styling jobs for a regular production Ferrari. The 80s was a time of ostentation. I mean no offense - I love the TR, and I will someday buy one of its versions.

But, the fact remains that many of the people who seem to talk about the Ferrari that once was are only talking about a small percentage of Ferrari's production history. Compare the 550 to the Daytona that inspired its design. The 550 is not a DEPARTURE from Ferrari's past, but an embrace of it - much more so, in fact, that the Testarossa or the 308/328, which after all, are an evolution of the Dino brand. Phil Hill wrote an article in Road and Track comparing the 250 GTO and the 550 - and his comparison was extremely favorable to the new model. Those who think the front engine design is a departure from Ferrari's past nead to read their history books.

The same goes for the 2+2s. Many question why Ferrari makes 2+2s. If I got a dollar for everytime I've heard, "That's not what Ferrari is all about," I'd have enough to buy one. Ferrari has been making GTs and 2+2 for decades and decades. The 250 Lusso was a toned down 250 SWB made more comfortable for road use. The 250 GTE was a 2+2, and its offspring have carried the flame throughout the history of the marque: 330, 365, and so on.

Edge? If you think the 212, or the 250 GTE, or the 330 GTC had "edge" then we have a very different idea of what is edgy.

Look, Ferrari are doing what they have ALWAYS done. They make limited production, very exotic cars and higher production everyday cars that are more user friendly. If you grew up loving the radical 80s styling and can't accept anything else, fine. But don't suggest that this is the new face of Ferrari or that they are embarking down a path of styling and design choices that are new to the company. Are they, as "Tubi" has suggested, accomodating their customer base? Of course. But, that's what they've been doing all along, and the way they are doing it hasn't changed. Back then, it was P4s and Daytonas. Now, it's Enzos and 575s. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. And that's how I like it.

4. With regard to the tone of your post, I’ll repeat this comment:

It's something to think about in terms of etiquette. When you post pics of your 550, or 308 or whatever, nobody responds, "man, that thing is hideous. Ferrari really needs to have their eyes checked." As automotive enthusiasts sharing in a single passion, I don't think it's right to say, "that's hideous." I know this sounds thin-skinned, but it's a matter of tact and respect. There a million respectful ways to say how a design doesn't work FOR YOU.
Everyone can, of course, continue to say what they please. But perhaps just think a bit about how you say it. This is a community and in a year or two many of us are going to get this car and really love it. My guess is that F-Chatters are not going to word their comments in this way then, so why do it now?

5. This is getting tiresome, at the very least. I’ve got a suggestion for all of you out there who feel the need to post this crap.
Tell your wife to put on her leggings and poof up her hair; while you are at it, spray some hairspray in your mullet, throw on some Def Leppard, and go over to the forum DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR THESE DISCUSSIONS – the Classic forum, where you can talk all you want about how the Testarossa is the greatest automotive design ever made and the outrageous 80s was the best decade this world has ever known. If you don’t like the direction in which the current lineup is headed, you should: 1. not buy them 2. go to the the Classics forum and talk about how awesome 308s and dozens of side gills are. If you don't like that idea, I can tell you some other places you should go...
I don’t come in those forums to say how I despise each of their rosso corsa vulgarities (for one thing I’d be lying), so don’t come in here and say how every owner of a modern car is driving a hideous eyesore. It’s called being a respectful member of the Ferrarichat community.

 

A good place to start looking at the big picture
http://www.qv500.com/indexferrari.htm

 

Ferrari evolves. They grow. But they evolve from the inside out, echoing tradition, as Zipj so eloquently put it earlier in this post.

I have yet to be disappointed with a design of theirs, although I feel the 512TR was on the wrong side of gauche for Ferrari, but those were the times. Yet, it still has a distinct presence, just not mine.

I have noticed that recent designs, 360 forward, have been more sophisticated and much more camera-angle sensitive. The 612 and the Enzo, as different as they are, both required in the flesh, on the street shots before I my eyes understood the design. In the flesh, however, the 360 is devastating. I have yet to see an Enzo or a 612, but I'm sure they'll be the same.

Moreover, there are several fine used specimens for those like yourself, who prefer the older lines. Enjoy.

Forza,


Cavallini

 

I recently had the opportunity to view and crawl around in a 612 and a Maser Quattroporte. They both looked great.

 

The Ferrari F430, from what I have been observing is an asolute gem. The 612 is amazing. The Enzo, I am still speechless. The 360CS, is the unltimate driving car.

 

Do you like the way, the basic 911 shape and the 360 have both grown into the same design?

 

Other than a low trunk lid and high rounded front fenders, I don't see the similarity.

Personally, I'd rather enjoy all the various designs than nitpicking.

 

Let's try this!
I can't figure out how to set up a "Poll" but if someone else would like to why don't we take a poll where everybody weighs in on each model. The question would be something like: "which model of Ferrari did you like the first time you saw it?" Then list as many as you can think of and we'll see how many liked a given model right away, who's in the majority, etc..

Personally I agree with the first post, the new designs have not given me much to look forward to. Ever since Luca Di Montizemolo got there. I like the 550 for what it is, but the 360? Sorry. I also think a poor job was done on the Maserati, thanks again Luca. Good riddence.

We should then put together a letter on behalf of the group that thinks Ferrari's going soft and mail it off to Jean Todt...either that or just file a class action lawsuit.

Best!
Wes

 

ferrari stopped making cars in the 1990"s

 

I've seen the 612 in person and it didn't get any prettier. Again, just my opinion.

 

Agreed, maybe sooner tho

Supra + 456 = 612 Haglietti (though true in person it is nicer)
360, Never liked it, great to drive, but I'll pass thank you. The 456 comes and goes for me, I really like it, then I saw what Byron did to his, and now I m leaning the other way. 355, a beauty, 348 crap, testarossa have not been nice since the 50's.

Modern cars I liked: F40, 355, 550/575, 512BB
Lukewarm: 456, F50
Dislike/Hate: 612, 348, 308, 328, 400, Mondial, 512TR, 360, Enzo

 

I think the 550/575 series is one of Ferrari's best designs since the 275. The 612 looks better than the 456 IMHO, but it doesn't look as good as the 550/575s. The 360 and what looks to be the new 430 are a different story. I don't like them and think they look to much like a car from Toyota or some other Japanese company. The 360 lacks the classic Italian elegance of the 550/575 cars.