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Discussion in 'F1' started by Admiral Thrawn, Jul 23, 2004.

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  1. Mr Payne

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    #26 Mr Payne, Jul 24, 2004
    Note on Davidson....yes he is fast, but we really can't say much simply due to the engine variable. Also note how most the 3rd drivers out practiced their teammates.
     
  2. Admiral Thrawn

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    #27 Admiral Thrawn, Jul 24, 2004
    Results from Saturday Free Practise Session 1

    P. No Driver Team - Engine Tyres Times Ave/Gaps Laps
    1. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1'15"066 219.359 Km/h 11
    2. 3 MONTOYA Williams BMW M 1'15"277 + 0'00"211 5
    3. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 1'15"354 + 0'00"288 10
    4. 6 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'15"626 + 0'00"560 6
    5. 9 BUTTON BAR Honda M 1'15"839 + 0'00"773 10
    6. 17 PANIS Toyota M 1'15"882 + 0'00"816 7
    7. 5 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M 1'15"919 + 0'00"853 7
    8. 04 PIZZONIA Williams BMW M 1'16"151 + 0'01"085 12
    9. 11 FISICHELLA Sauber Petronas B 1'16"232 + 0'01"166 9
    10. 7 TRULLI Renault M 1'16"334 + 0'01"268 5
    11. 16 DA MATTA Toyota M 1'16"457 + 0'01"391 8
    12. 8 ALONSO Renault M 1'16"462 + 0'01"396 5
    13. 12 MASSA Sauber Petronas B 1'16"532 + 0'01"466 8
    14. 15 KLIEN Jaguar Cosworth M 1'16"650 + 0'01"584 5
    15. 14 WEBBER Jaguar Cosworth M 1'16"961 + 0'01"895 7
    16. 18 HEIDFELD Jordan Ford B 1'17"369 + 0'02"303 10
    17. 20 BRUNI Minardi Cosworth B 1'18"198 + 0'03"132 11
    18. 19 PANTANO Jordan Ford B 1'18"914 + 0'03"848 4
    19. 21 BAUMGARTNER Minardi Cosworth B 1'21"288 + 0'06"222 9
     
  3. tifosi12

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    #28 tifosi12, Jul 24, 2004
    Rubens going backwards on the grid...
     
  4. Admiral Thrawn

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    #29 Admiral Thrawn, Jul 24, 2004
    Results from Saturday Free Practise Session 2

    P. No Driver Team - Engine Tyres Times Ave/Gaps Laps
    1. 9 BUTTON BAR Honda M 1'13"676 223.497 Km/h 15
    2. 3 MONTOYA Williams BMW M 1'13"976 + 0'00"300 11
    3. 5 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M 1'14"064 + 0'00"388 11
    4. 6 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'14"100 + 0'00"424 14
    5. 8 ALONSO Renault M 1'14"320 + 0'00"644 12
    6. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 1'14"393 + 0'00"717 12
    7. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1'14"459 + 0'00"783 14
    8. 7 TRULLI Renault M 1'14"468 + 0'00"792 15
    9. 04 PIZZONIA Williams BMW M 1'14"766 + 0'01"090 10
    10. 16 DA MATTA Toyota M 1'14"790 + 0'01"114 19
    11. 17 PANIS Toyota M 1'14"953 + 0'01"277 16
    12. 14 WEBBER Jaguar Cosworth M 1'15"000 + 0'01"324 25
    13. 15 KLIEN Jaguar Cosworth M 1'15"481 + 0'01"805 20
    14. 11 FISICHELLA Sauber Petronas B 1'15"572 + 0'01"896 10
    15. 12 MASSA Sauber Petronas B 1'15"588 + 0'01"912 10
    16. 18 HEIDFELD Jordan Ford B 1'16"832 + 0'03"156 16
    17. 20 BRUNI Minardi Cosworth B 1'18"227 + 0'04"551 13
    18. 21 BAUMGARTNER Minardi Cosworth B 1'18"691 + 0'05"015 15
     
  5. Admiral Thrawn

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    #30 Admiral Thrawn, Jul 24, 2004
    Results from Pre-Qualifying

    P. No Driver Team - Engine Tyres Times Ave/Gaps Laps
    1. 3 MONTOYA Williams BMW M 1'13"391 224.365 Km/h 3
    2. 04 PIZZONIA Williams BMW M 1'13"422 + 0'00"031 3
    3. 9 BUTTON BAR Honda M 1'13"535 + 0'00"144 3
    4. 8 ALONSO Renault M 1'13"581 + 0'00"190 3
    5. 17 PANIS Toyota M 1'13"640 + 0'00"249 3
    6. 5 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M 1'13"640 + 0'00"249 3
    7. 7 TRULLI Renault M 1'13"736 + 0'00"345 3
    8. 6 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'13"842 + 0'00"451 3
    9. 12 MASSA Sauber Petronas B 1'13"898 + 0'00"507 3
    10. 11 FISICHELLA Sauber Petronas B 1'13"914 + 0'00"523 3
    11. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1'14"042 + 0'00"651 3
    12. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 1'14"111 + 0'00"720 3
    13. 10 SATO BAR Honda M 1'14"465 + 0'01"074 3
    14. 15 KLIEN Jaguar Cosworth M 1'15"090 + 0'01"699 3
    15. 14 WEBBER Jaguar Cosworth M 1'15"093 + 0'01"702 3
    16. 16 DA MATTA Toyota M 1'15"119 + 0'01"728 3
    17. 19 PANTANO Jordan Ford B 1'16"166 + 0'02"775 3
    18. 18 HEIDFELD Jordan Ford B 1'16"537 + 0'03"146 3
    19. 20 BRUNI Minardi Cosworth B 1'17"283 + 0'03"892 3
    20. 21 BAUMGARTNER Minardi Cosworth B 1'17"515 + 0'04"124 3
     
  6. Admiral Thrawn

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    #31 Admiral Thrawn, Jul 24, 2004
    And qualifying for the grid, with Michael's scorchingly-fast pole position lap at his home Grand Prix. The top 9 drivers are separated by less than 1 second.

    Rubens' less than stellar qualifying position leads me to believe that he is on a different strategy.

    P. No Driver Team - Engine Tyres Times Ave/Gaps Laps
    1. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1'13"306 224.626 Km/h 3
    2. 3 MONTOYA Williams BMW M 1'13"667 + 0'00"361 3
    3. 9 BUTTON BAR Honda M 1'13"673 + 0'00"367 3
    4. 6 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'13"690 + 0'00"384 3
    5. 5 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M 1'13"821 + 0'00"515 3
    6. 8 ALONSO Renault M 1'13"874 + 0'00"568 3
    7. 7 TRULLI Renault M 1'14"134 + 0'00"828 3
    8. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 1'14"278 + 0'00"972 3
    9. 10 SATO BAR Honda M 1'14"287 + 0'00"981 3
    10. 17 PANIS Toyota M 1'14"367 + 0'01"061 3
    11. 04 PIZZONIA Williams BMW M 1'14"556 + 0'01"250 3
    12. 14 WEBBER Jaguar Cosworth M 1'14"802 + 0'01"496 3
    13. 15 KLIEN Jaguar Cosworth M 1'15"011 + 0'01"705 3
    14. 11 FISICHELLA Sauber Petronas B 1'15"395 + 0'02"089 3
    15. 16 DA MATTA Toyota M 1'15"454 + 0'02"148 3
    16. 12 MASSA Sauber Petronas B 1'15"616 + 0'02"310 3
    17. 19 PANTANO Jordan Ford B 1'16"192 + 0'02"886 3
    18. 18 HEIDFELD Jordan Ford B 1'16"310 + 0'03"004 3
    19. 20 BRUNI Minardi Cosworth B 1'18"055 + 0'04"749 3
    20. 21 BAUMGARTNER Minardi Cosworth B 1'18"400 + 0'05"094 3
     
  7. tifosi12

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    #32 tifosi12, Jul 24, 2004
    Can Montoya do it and snatch pole?

    Nope, but 2nd. Should make for an interesting start and race.
     
  8. imperial83

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    #33 imperial83, Jul 24, 2004
    Michael Schumacher is on pole.
    Rubens starts from 7th place on the grid since Button was moved 10 positions back due to engine switch. Rubens is vey heavy on fuel.

    FERRARI 1 - 2 Tomorrow!!!!!
     
  9. bobafett

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    #34 bobafett, Jul 24, 2004
    Wow...look @ McLaren. Who would've thought. Points, perhaps?? Ron must be very nervous...

    --Dan
     
  10. beast

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    #35 beast, Jul 24, 2004
    I was hoping that JPM would have qualified 3rd so i could have scored maximum points for my qualifying picks ;)
     
  11. imperial83

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    #36 imperial83, Jul 24, 2004
    The BAR-Honda team were on Saturday reprimanded by Formula One's governing body, FIA, for running one of their cars illegally, but escaped disqualification from Sunday's German Grand Prix. The team tested a newly developed electro-hydraulic device, which has been proven to improve the performance of the car, on their race cars in Friday practice but removed it before qualifying.
     
  12. ralessi

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    #37 ralessi, Jul 25, 2004
    This to me seems kind of ridiculous. This is FORMULA ONE. Let the manufacturers have some leeway to develop the cars with new and innovative technologies. To the average viewer many of the cars are just carbon copies of each other. This has been said before but establish a few base guidelines and let them go at it and experiment with different lengths, ride heights, widths, engine displacements, forced induction, number of cylinders, exotic materials, ETC. - that is how it becomes fun and interesting and innovative.
     
  13. Bart

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    #38 Bart, Jul 25, 2004
    F1 is getting BOOOOOOOORRRRING. The man is like Lance Armstrong. He only wins and wins and wins.


    And this is the home town crowd.


    Anyone wants to bet of this one??????
     
  14. imperial83

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    #39 imperial83, Jul 25, 2004
    I agree completely that manufacturers should be able to develop the cars in anyway possible to make tings fun and iteresting. But there are two factors to consider:
    1. Rules and regulations must be equal for all. You cannot allow one construtor to do as they please and stop other constructors. So rules have to be enforced for all teams.
    2. Driver safety. If a new interesting and innovative development of the car hinders driver safety then there is no place for it in F1. Surely you must understand driver safety is big factor.

    Again I do not know what exactly the reprimand was for and what basis. But rules are supposed to be for all teams and driver safety is an issue.
     
  15. TomSilver

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    #40 TomSilver, Jul 25, 2004
    I agree. I'm a MS fan and - obviously - a Ferrari fan, but I would be happy if Raikkonen wins, followed by Montoya and MS. The Formula One is a bit boring now. Some more real competition outside the boxes would be great. When did you see the last amazing pass manoeuvre by MS? I don't remember...
     
  16. zjpj

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    #41 zjpj, Jul 25, 2004
    Anyone know how much $ the new carbon fibre helmets cost?
     
  17. beast

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    #42 beast, Jul 25, 2004
    Great Job Micheal...


    Rubens what the F#$@ were you thinking on the first lap :(


    Forza Ferrari 11 out of 12 races BRAVO!!!!!
     
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    #43 beast, Jul 25, 2004

    More than likely in the $8-9 K range as they are all custom hand made units
     
  19. aawil

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    #44 aawil, Jul 25, 2004
    Pretty nice run by Button as well.
     
  20. zjpj

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    #45 zjpj, Jul 25, 2004
    And that Raikkonen crash really shows you how vital the wing is. As soon as it came off, the car just could not go in a straight line! I was really surprised about how out of control it immediately went.
     
  21. imperial83

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    Michael Schumacher wins the German GP.

    One more step towards the constructors and drivers world championship titles.

    Kimi is going to kill someone at Mclaren. He was so frustrated when he got out of the car. :D
     
  22. pizzadude

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    #47 pizzadude, Jul 25, 2004
    Did anyone notice the other Ferrari guy on the podium (can't remember his name). He didn't seem to thrilled to take a swig from the champange bottle when Schumacher who apparently has the Flu offered it to him.
     
  23. zjpj

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    #48 zjpj, Jul 25, 2004
    hahaha
     
  24. castex

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    #49 castex, Jul 25, 2004
    A gripping race, with heroics from Button and Alonso!
    What an absolute treat: the action was sustained, the margins barely there. What skill, such respect.
    This track has been consistently criticised - by me as much as anyone. However, the new Hockenhem is safe as Kimi showed, and there's room for cars to run alongside each other.
    Kimi also showed his frustration in a way we rarely see nowadays. I can totally understand, as the failure on McMerc's part was a shocker, and at home to boot!
    Congrats to Schumacher on another splendid win. What a race:D
     
  25. asianbond

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    #50 asianbond, Jul 25, 2004
    Kudos to Button for a heroic effort from the rear of the pack.

    Ruebens has no excuse for his "montoya or sato" like move (as how someone on this board would put it) on the 1st lap.

    Mclaren looks to be back in the game.

    Looks like the BAR/Honda has the speed, poor finish by Sato.

    It's a shame that for the past several races MS hardly got challenged, no one was close enough to push him.
     
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