The Canadian health system is a crock. A poorly funded group of underpaid, foreign-educated doctors (the best ones moving to the US to triple their income), crowded hospitals, people dying waiting for procedures, or just going to the US and paying cash if they can afford it. It's 'great' by worldwide standards, but the American facilities and care I've dealt with are superior. Because it is all gov't funded, there is also a tendency to put off treating many things until the last moment, instead of investing in preventitive measures. You still need your own insurance for perscriptions and many illnesses anyway. For example, I have asthma, and growing up we could see the doctor (with a 4-6 week wait), and get all the Rx's written we wanted, but we couldn't afford the drugs themselves because we didn't have private insurance. I actually hadn't seen my doctor for like the last 6 years I lived in Canada, because he was so busy booking a month or two in advance we had to use the gov't clinics anyway. Now, at school in the US with a health insurance I pay for, I go for one checkup to get a ventolin refill, and after that appointment they want me to see an allergist, a nutritionist, get blood drawn, and a whole list of things to guarantee my health. It feels so good to see that they are interested in monitoring everything and getting started fixing it. Different mindset. I would rather get the comprehensive coverage I have in the US paying $2000 a year, than have it worked into my 50% income taxes, and then STILL have to buy MORE insurance on top of that! You can not seriously believe that the Canadian health care system picks up a large amount of slack from deficient US services. The only people that come here to Canada are to get things like Lasik or these hair things -- cosmetic operations paid in cash. There IS also a system of free clinics and low-income care down in the US, it's not like people everywhere are writhing and dying on the street. It just really urks me when Canadians play the health care card in the moral superiority game, when they haven't lived in the US or had a lot of experience needing health care in both places. Ok, back to Navy talk.
Funny, I lived in Canada most of my life and NEVER had any of the problems you had with the Canadian health care system. It was always easy to see a doctor and they were not near as "knife happy" as the doctors here in the US are. Oh, and the reason the US guys want to send you to person after person is not to insure your health, but to clean your wallet out. Health insurance costs in the US are going up dramatically. When I was with a large news paper group, our insurance went up 30% for our company to cover and then another 15-20% for the employees. That trend was not expected going away any time soon. As for why Canada's military sucks. Simple. Why do they need one? The USA will defend them if something terrible happens. Chances are Canada will never be invaded or invade another country. It makes more sense to put more money into the country instead of the military.
You could pay out of your pocket for anything you want in Canada too. As for waiting months to see a doctor, give it up. A week and a half tops! As for insurance. Blue cross will take anyone and any perscription is 5 bucks no matter what it is. Why are all the Americans buying Canadian drugs? Why are your leaders fighting to allow more Canadian drugs into the US? You mention doctors "caring" for you in the US. Our doctors still send you to get tests and whatnot, you aren't making sense. Does your doctor send you a birthday card too? Where do you get 50% tax from?? You can clear $65,000 and only pay 22% tax on your net. You're blowing things out the window. A for paying for more insurance, no. Blue Cross and MSI cover everything and like I said, 5 bucks per perscription and some drugs/ services are free. It just really urks me when Americans play the we have firepower card in the superiority game, when they haven't lived in Canada. Yeah you can blow stuff up and repeat the same old stuff you heard as a kid. Yeah you guys rock! Point is, if we weren't as close we wouldn't need any force at all. But then you would probably attack us for our water.
They just spout what they hear. USA Rules all. If that's so why does 2/3 of the world want them dead? Saddam could wrap himself in the flag too. I doubt he killed as many as the USA though.
Don't bash healthcare, people. Of course, it's far from perfect and underfunded (while still very expensive) ... but I can attest that it works. I suffered 6 dislocated shoulders within a year (until I went under surgery), and I was fixed perfectly (was 3 years ago, no news since) and had to wait perhaps a couple months, and best part is that anyone suffering from this kind of crap will be repaired free of charge, no matter if you're living in a box or a castle. Fine in my book. I chatted with americans with the same problems who can't go under surgery caus' they can't afford it, and it ruins your life until you get it fixed. I had the chance to break my arm when living in the US ... let's just say complementary insurance was very wellcome ... but not all that envcouraging.
Canadians can bash America for being a bully. {Not really true, they do try to keep the peace.} Americans can bash Canada for sponging off of them. {Not really true as we haven't cashed any cheques.} Let's let this thread end before people become p'oed.
If we spent on our military what Canada does I think we could have Health care secound to none..... like we do now, just cheaper.
I hope everyone noticed through out this whole thread I didn't mention once my last name is Gunboat. P.S. I love Canada.
Second to none? If the paramedics in the US can't find an insurance card you get droped off at "county". A 3rd world hospital. Even if it's 50 miles away! Yipy! Second to none! Yeeehaaa! And if you guys didn't spend as much on guns, then how would you push your weight around? Thanks for leading the world in friendly fire deaths! You sure can sneak up on people. Or just drop bombs on allied soldiers training, you know, whatever.
Yeah, don't twist your foot, it will cost you 2 grand. Having a baby is about 20 grand. The tests alone must be a few grand. yeah great! Sign me up! We may pay more tax in Canada but you can always be fixed up. We aren't considered the "most" rude people or the "snobbiest" I wonder where those titles come from? Apparently you guys have the best weapons, the best medicare, the best cities, the best people, the best business', the most of everything. Hummmm How many homeless? How many murderers? How many companies ripping people off? Yeah your 10x the amount of people have more money but you also have 10x the amount of bad things too. But hey, be American about it, just deny, deny, deny. America wins all the wars and has all the glory. Right up untill you peek inside the walls of their country, then, they have the same crap as everyone else. They just don't care.
Because? I said I would let it end, then a few more US get their jabs in and NOW it's time to end? Pushing weight around???
Article in the Vancouver Sun recently (I think the story orginated from the Toronto Star), latest poll says Canadians have a much higher disatisfaction rate with their healthcare system than Americans....I know my girlfriend (Canadian) has waited months in order to get a CAT scan or MRI. Here in Seattle, you can get one in a week or two. In fact the current wait to get open heart surgery or a replacement knee in Vancouver is 10 to 12 months! Incredible. That is the problem with "managed health care"...it becomes "rationed" healthcare... In fact, American hospitals along the border become the "back up" for emergency heart surgeries and other procedures that can't be accomidated in Canada...happens each month that patients are shipped down here. What would happen if we didn't accept them, or couldn't accept them? Good thing we Americans are the "arsenal of democracy"...or the rest of this world would be holding "octoberfests" each an every fall... I love this type of political discourse....it is good to hear what Canadians think of our fat, lazy asses! And we are FAT, I notice everytime I visit BC and compare. Cheers Neil!
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Again the Americans save the day huh? What happens if we didn't allow your planes to land while the world was paying you back? Yeah there are points about our healthcare system that are weak. And since when is complaining about somthing a warning that it's failing??? Americans making the facts blury to improve their stance. Do you think I make this stuff up? I run a media monitoring company, we have law firms/ hospitals/ all levels of government telling us what to watch out for. Canadians are used to the best schools and healthcare, if anything slips, they cry. Just like any other country, if something goes wrong, complain. That's part of the check system. We could let things slide, could. As for waiting for life saving medicare, that's something you heard once. And as for "heart surgery or a replacement knee" being in the same level of importance, give it up. If you need surgery on your heart, you go in, no questions asked. And if you want an MRI sooner, you could always pay $275 and be in the same day. You show me any artical. you have read. I didn't call Americans "fat" or "lazy", that's the American's train of thought though. If someone doesn't agree, he must be insulting us. Go live in Europe for a few years, then try Mexico. By the time you get back home, you'll see things very different. P.S. your "Bush" cried for us to support you in the war, you had the world against you {other than Blair, but he is a mini bush anyway and the UK was 90% not behind the war.} Your government closed the borders to us and our products and snubbed our cities and leaders. America seems to be a 5 year old girl most of the time.
I think it should be locked. A few nice pics of ships and someone mentions a sterotype. Then a few more do and now people are defending somthing they have no controll over. I guess there is no skill testing question to owning a Ferrari.
Having worn a uniform and saluted the flags of both countries as they were raised at dawn...I can post this. Perhaps it should be said that, politics aside, the Canadian Military is highly respected by both US and British forces alike for their professionalism and dedication under arduous circumstances. The Liberals need a tour over the Atlantic in a Sea King...problem solved. There are many US soldiers who would stand up and defend our troops reputation...particularily those who have attended our Pathfinder and Sniper course serials. Yes we have a Navy but with the longest coastline in the world we would welcome any gold gas cards anyone was willing to donate. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Just remeber the TOP GUN comepition for fighter pilots was won by a Canadian pilot 2 years in a row...
Dude, shut the hell up, your making a fool of yourself... When I was on vacation in Mexico, I was drinking with a bunch of Americans and the topic got on to U.S-Canada relations, etc. This is a quote from them: "There is no two countries in the world that could ask for better neighbors" Amen to that! There may be differences, but when you look at the people (which is what really matters)...... we're all so similar.
