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  1. Steve Magnusson

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    My bad -- Verell's is the simpliest 180W configuration (less cuts, no jumpers).
     
  2. dhs-9

    dhs-9 Formula Junior

    Feb 6, 2004
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    91tr thanks for that clarification

    Now I know how to proceed but still dont know whether to do the 45 0r 180w method
     
  3. Steve Magnusson

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    This is why it would be nice if a 328 Owner would actually measure and post the total current flowing in the stock rear defroster so you could make a more informed decision.

    But you never really gave any background -- do you actually use your rear defroster a lot, or are you just trying to do something cosmetic? Is doing nothing any option, or do you have to add something to hide something else?
     
  4. dhs-9

    dhs-9 Formula Junior

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    I just want everything on the car to work as intended. Also driving in the rain or humid days with the a/c on can cause fog ups.
     
  5. Birdman

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    Man, this is so funny. Four guys all typing the same thing at the same time. Great minds think alike!

    Birdman
     
  6. dhs-9

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    Last night I decided to try the 180w version and cut the right buss bar in hte middle. I then tried it out and to my surprise the heat was not all that great. Just kinda warm. I used a 14gauge wire from the negative term of the buss bar back to the left side original ground connector. I thought that this heavy wire might be adding resistance and causing lack of heat so I used a 22 gauge wire and grounded it to a point much closer to the right bus bar . Very little change in percieved heat. I then reconnected the cut between the ground and 12v on the right bus bar and put the ground back to the left side (now original configuration) and expected to get that screaming hot heat but it didnt. It was barely warm.

    I tested each wire without the ground connected when I took the positive probe to each wire and the neg probe to a ground each wire showed 12v. There is continuity between each wire and when the ground was re-connected each wire had continuity to a chasis ground.

    I dont understand why so little heat with 180w version and why when put back to original it does not heat up like it did before. Should I try one long surpentine route whould this give more heat.

    When I measured voltage of the wires with pos probe on the 12v connector and the neg probe on the wires with the ground wire connected to the grid teh voltage was in the milliamps.

    I'm stumped

    Thanks

    Dave
     
  7. Steve Magnusson

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    "When I measured voltage of the wires with pos probe on the 12v connector and the neg probe on the wires with the ground wire connected to the grid teh voltage was in the milliamps."

    Are you trying to measuring a voltage here or a current (voltage was... milliamps)? In each configuration you should always measure +12V when measured between the +12V wire and the ground (i.e. the multimeter is in parallel with the grid). To measure the current, the multimeter would go between the +12V wire and where it connects to the grid (i.e., the multimeter is in series with the grid).
     
  8. dhs-9

    dhs-9 Formula Junior

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    From your description I must have been in series measuring amps. but the meter showed in the milliamp range. Anyway I just want to determine how to get the most heat out of this thing. The wires are getting 12v when measured at the wires (pos probe) and the chasis ground (not grid ground).

    I think i know just enough to be dangerous about voltage and its relation to amps etc.

    Thanks again
     
  9. Steve Magnusson

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    If you've got the +12V present at the two wires yet the (series) current thru the grid measures very, very low then you might check to see if the current-protection fuse inside your multimeter (if so equipped) is blown -- just a thought...
     
  10. dhs-9

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    Maybe this is true but its a cheap pocket RS meter. Anyway it doesnt get that hot. I would like to know if there is some configuration to have to work hotter. Maybe the ground to the grid is not perfect and causing to much resitance even though it does have continuity with chasis gound. I really dont know where to go from here other than taking all the wires off and create new copper bus bars and reapply the wires again.
     
  11. Steve Magnusson

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    To check if your grid ground is OK or not -- (with the grid hooked up and "on") if you're getting +12V between the +12V terminal of the grid and the chassis ground, then measure the voltage between the ground side of the grid and the chassis ground -- should be low (like a few tenths of a volt maximum).

    Have you confirmed that the grid itself is still intact electrically? What does the DC resistance across the grid now measure (unplugged and "off", of course)? It will have a different overall resistance depending which configuration you are in (0.2 Ohms in the as-made configuration, 0.8 Ohm in the 180 W configuration, or 3.2 Ohm in the 45W serpentine configuration), but it shouldn't be tens of Ohms (or any higher).
     

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