CA Ferrari Chat Members Please Read ASAP- AB 2683!

I cannot imagine a more important issue, please everyone contact the gov and tell him to veto this, someday you may want a 78 boxer..........

Here is snail mail info

http://www.governor.ca.gov/state/govsite/gov_homepage.jsp


PLEASE DO THIS FOR YOUR FELLOW ENTHUSIAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

here is my letter:
Dear Governor Schwarzenegger,

I am writing this letter to urge you to VETO Assembly Bill #2683. As a lifelong auto enthusiast and citizen concerned with the environment I feel that clean air and classic sports cars can coexist in our state. Just last year I was saddened by the introduction of Senate Bill #708 which was very similar in its treatment of classic vehicles! Now here we go again!!!! The law as it stands now is fair with the 30 year rolling exemption.

My wife and I are the owners of a classic car which is extremely well maintained, under the current law it is exempt from biennial smog checks. We are among a large group in the state who own these classic cars as a serious pastime. These cars are not used for daily transportation and are driven on average less than 1000 miles per year. Well maintained classic cars are not the cause of our statewide air pollution problem and banning them or being unable to register them legally is not the solution to our smog problem.

Some of these cars have problems because in the early to mid seventies some cars barely met the regulations due to the fact that the technology of cleaner burning engines was just in its infancy. To get these cars into the country the manufacturers just slapped on all sorts of quick fix band-aids that did not really work but met the legal requirements of the law. Since there was very little enforcement of emissions early on, this really didn’t matter. When the enforcement was stepped up, it was not uncommon for owners to just pay to get a certificate. This forced people to either break the law or lose their vehicle. Which was wrong either way!

The solution to our air pollution is ridesharing, improved mass transit, and enforcement of the current smog laws that apply to daily transportation vehicles. I feel that Assembly Bill #2683 is just another burden on classic car owners that would not improve the states quality of air.

I guess the bottom line is that there are a lot of car collectors and car enthusiasts in California who want clean air but feel that they are being unfairly penalized by laws that are well intended but sometimes either misguided or misapplied. Lets face it, we live in a car culture and many of these classic cars are part of our California heritage . They give us a glimpse of history and connect us to the past. In a way, they are like rolling museums or moving pieces of art. All of the car shows we attend give the proceeds to charity and I cant help but feel that we are all enriched by the people who spend countless hours and thousands of dollars to restore and maintain these classic cars for the enjoyment of all. The fact that diesel big rigs, motorcycles, boats and airplanes are not checked only adds to the hypocrisy of the smog check system in our state.

I hope that you VETO this bill or any similar measure that would restrict our ability to continue to collect and drive these rare and historic vehicles. I am a member of the Ferrari Club of America, and I am organizing our members to contact you to let you know know how we feel about this issue, which is of extreme importance to us.


Sincerely,

 

I jsut sent mine in...

Dom

 

Just sent mine too...

 

I knew it! Frigging CA nazi's are at it again. That's why I kept all of my smog equipment and never got rid of it. But heck, the original 75 smog equipment probably wouldn't allow me to pass anyway even though my engine plate indeed states that mine complies with all CALIFORNIA emission standards for 75. The only problem is that the nazi's raised the emission standards so 1975 doesn't mean squat.

 

don the 75 will still be exempt but not 76 on so WRITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

WHEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just about had a heart attack! But still, we all still need to write. Thanks Robert!!!

 

PLEASE DONT FORGET TO WRITE OR CALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS WAY IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Just added my 2cents.

 

Hey, I hear you on this. Unfortunately(or fortunately) I don't own a car that will be affected by this one way or another. I did read something interesting though. If you take a beater beatle(say that five times fast), one that falls into this category that thing emits 30 times the harmfull emmissions of even a mordern SUV. Call me nuts but I'm all for getting smog causing beaters off the road. Maybe they could have an enthusiasts exemption that would keep us happy? Just a thought. It'll be interesting to see what happens to this legislation.

 

I called the gov again today Phone: 916-445-2841 and they said they have not had many calls, the bill just arrived on his desk, so please take a minute out of your time to call!!! Thanks Rob

 

This is bull****, at least Gray Davis signed the 30 year exemption. Arnold will never receive a vote from me. His peoples governor motto sure has a lot of holes in it. Anyone for a recall????

 

I vote for a recall. Arnold is a closet tree hugging nazi loving governor. Go hassle the SUV crowd and leave us Fcar owners alone!

 

If your car was equipped with CA emissions certified gear, it does not have to qualify at current emissions standards but meet the standards they were designed to meet when the vehicle was produced.

So if your 30 year old car can't pass emissions requirements from 25 years ago because you haven't maintained it, who's fault is that?

I owned a 1974 grey market car that had to be tested, but, the car was not equipped with catalytic converters from the factory and was available for sale in California. The stupid 30-year exemption rule was in affect and it wasn't old enough so it had to be tested. See my point?

Pay to play, gentleman.

Take care of your vehicles rather then bite your nails waiting for the 30 year exemption or talk with the BAR.

Sunny

 

Sunny,

That is not the point, boats, motorcycles, airplanes (like the private jet the gove has), big rigs, construction equipment, leaf blowers, lawnmowers,snowmobiles etc dont have to be tested. My car passed everytime but the hassle and the violation of having the guy with one tooth grinding the gears of a car I dont even let my best friend drive is insane. I felt raped everytime I had to get it smogged. My car is exempt and I am still mad. The gov said that his goal is to get the cleanest most eficient cars on the roads in CA, that is all well and good but look at the giant gas guzzler he has, but it is OK for him. BTW I work with a lady on welfare and she has a 98, the only people this will hurt are the really poor and elderly and the car collectors. Count how many 76 cars you see in a week around here I see maybe 1 or 2. I think people should get pollution credits like businesses. I drive my car what 600 miles a year, what about a family of 8 all with cars driving 2 hours to commute. i just dont think it is fair.......

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/09/24/MNG5R8UFPG1.DTL

 

I hate to put you on blast, but you leave me no choice.

Compared to exactly how many cars we have on the road just in California alone? I think that IS the point. Don't worry, "their" time will come too eventually.

I don't know where you take your car to be smogged, but maybe you should reconsider one of the other 7,500 shops in California. I'm sure someone on F-chat knows someone who runs a smog station. I'm sure you would agree driving a little out of your way to prevent this wouldn't be a problem.

He'll give up his Hummer if you give up your Ferrari, sound like a fair trade? No, you'd rather him get rid of the Hummer, huh? He pays his taxes, or at least a lot or most Hummer owners do. His car may drink 1 gallon of gas in less than 10 miles but I can think of a lot of Ferrari's and old cars that do the same thing. The big irony people are missing is the Hummer runs cleaner. You didn't pay gas guzzler tax on your Ferrari, did you? Hummer owners did. Save the oil debate for another thread.

So they can too live the American dream to live beyond their means? If you have a family of 8 all driving 2 hours to commute, don't you think its time to reconsider moving that family of 8 a little closer and saving the outrageous expense they incur in gas? You and I are not their financial planners, but I do feel for someone who is forced to do this on a TEMPORARY basis.

Sunny

 

I cannot disagree with your points you made but you are still missing mine, if you had a 78 carb boxer you would be pissed. My wife and I both live a mile from work, so i am doing my part, and if they (the government) wanted to promote clean air there are a thousand other ways to do it. My mother in law just got back from Bangkok and says they have a subway and a monorail, what do we have? Unbridled growth fueled by greed and a government ruled by corporations and developers, the people's will doesn't mean ****. Supposedly 10,000 people called and wrote the governers office and he still said no! Explain to me why the present law was supported by a liberal democratic governer but somehow overruled by his republican peoples governer. Because it is a scam, and has nothing to do with clean air. I know because i was involed 5 years ago to work this bill out with enviromental groups, car collectors and both parties. Once again my car is exempt, why do I care? For the same reason our country is going to hell in a handbasket cause no one cares about anyone but themselves, greed and there own personal ****. Personal reponsibilty, individual rights and freedom are what is really at stake here. The gov is still a hipocrite, as as stupid as hummers are ( and I have a friend with 3 real ones) I am not telling him he cannot have his he is telling others that they cannot have theirs! And as far as him being pres some day, forget it, it the states could not pass the era giving women equal rights the chance of him being elected are nil. This is not over, I am betting that sema some someone gets a ballot intiative going, there are more pissed people about this than me.... allot more. If the Bush administration and corporations can destroy and pollute on a massive scale what is my little car gonna really do?


Oh he vetoed the bill to allow ferrets as pets too...................and vetoed the 2 bills to discourage sending CA jobs overseas (if that is not unamerican what is) Where is the american dream if your job is in India!!!!!!!!!!!

Respectfully,


Rob

 

You made your points quite clear and we can argue about this until the end of time. You have a carb boxer means you qualify for an exception of some sort? Everyone with a "classic" '78 piece of American iron doesn't? What makes you so special? If there are a thousand other ways, write out 10 proposals or send them in. Or a 100 proposals if your feeling very psyched about it.

The rest was political dialogue I'm not interested in.

This is about old cars meeting old pollution standards rather then being lumped under an exemption because of who they are or what they drive. It was this stupid law that wouldn't allow me to keep my vehicle in the state but I understand why and now its finally repelled.

If you are worried about your emissions equipment operating on your '78 boxer and its a make or break issue and you can't afford to replace the emissions equipment, I don't care if this is Ferrari Chat or Boxer chat, get a clue.

Sunny

 

By attrition, many of the old gross polluters are going away. I don't see folks lining up for parts for late 70's to early 80's K-cars. Anybody else here know that the lawnmowers, leaf blowers, and weed-whackers in LA County alone put out as much pullution as LAX? Right logic, wrong direction.

It is your smog-hog 70's and 80'sd daily driver that was the cause of the brown cloud that used to cover downtown LA. Now that people have been retiring those beasts over the years for newer less polluting, more efficient cars, and technology has caught up, we have more cars and less smog, so how is making an even tighter restriction going to truly help? I am all for the environment, but not at the alarmist pace that Greenpease et al tell us the world is going to hell in a handbasket tomorrow if we don't sign this bill today.

Truth be told, if it does not get signed, it will be hard to introduce any new smog laws in the future, including the suv reclassification to passenger vehicle.

 

Test Shoot the Terminator already signed it very sad.

http://www.californiacarclubs.com/sb_708.htm

 

My 1966 p1800 has a 1992 motor in it wound up real tight. It would not pass emissions if it were a 92 car, but it is way better for emissions than the original motor was. I had sent in my info already, and read on Yahoo about it passing.

Perhaps Arnold the ^%#&master could see fit to have heavier restrictions on his fleet of hummers, yukons and other suv's... Then again Maria the ***** would not like that, don't want to piss off the soccer moms.

 

i am wondering if this means there is going to be a exodus of cars from cali. i have been on the hunt in a big way for another fcar, and ALL of the cars i have called about so far in cali had NO emissions equipment at all. we are exempt here in the sticks, but i am hoping there will be more cars to choose from since retro fitting all that crap for the california owners is going to be very expensive. seems to me if there is a sudden flood of cars for sale it may lower overall selling prices. ( good for me as a buyer!) any thought or ideas on this???? michael