'03 Enzo,Red,0 miles,$950,000

Interesting.... I didn't know that. I guess I better cancel my order (LOL). Seriously, I thought low production cars had some sort of exemption. How are you someone who knows a "thing or two about this"?

 

Enzo's do not quailfy under "Show and display" Show and Display cars also have very serious restrictions which lessen their value. For example a show and display McLaren is worth much less than the 6 federalized McLarens. (Fritzmobiles)
If there is a US version of a car it is not eligable for show and display.
The head of the DOT was quoted in SCM as saying that Euro Enzo's can not be Federalized. IMO if they could there would be a number of them in the US as one German Dealer is offering 10+ for sale at prices way under what's being asked in the US for US cars at this moment also way under the 950K Ali asked for his "0 Mile Enzo"
I have a request into the DOT to confirm this. When I receive an answer I'll post it but the person who quoted the DOT IMO would know.
In addition there are NO 0 miles Enzo's. Anyone offering one for sale is committing criminal fraud.
Besides that what's not to like?

 

I did this once -- many moons ago.

There's lots of ways to get non-DOT/NHTSA approved cars into the US. Race & Track exemptions, Show exemptions, Manufacturing testing exemptions, etc. Most of these exemptions come with two very annoying things:

- Time limits -- meaning the car needs to be shipped out of North America (not just taken to Canada) or destroyed

- VIN flagging -- meaning that if you try to reg the car the VIN will be flagged and you won;t get plates.

Non-excempt cars need to be "converted" at registered conversion facilities. There are a bunch of them -- you can find them on the NHTSA web site. These companies do what they have to do to bring the car into specc: Everything from side-impact braces (Rene's doors seem really light, right?) to emissions to bumper height to gauge readings to that annoying key-buzzer (which is a Federal law that all vehicles must have them).

Hint: For Porschephiles, a sure fire way to spot a hastily converted/un-converted car is to look at the Parking Brake indicator. US cars need an indicator that says "PARK". Most everywhere else, there is a graphic for the parking brake and not text. For some reaon, lots of people miss this in the 911s.

ANYWAY, there are a bunch of loop holes involving ex-pats (Both US citizens re-emigrating and foreign nationals with legal resident status) so they can bring their vehicles into the US and legally register and sell them. It's not easy, but it's doable.

Pre-9/11 this was heinously easy. I had a GT-3 in the US that passed hands through some ex-pats and then to me. No conversion. Fully registered. Totally drivable. (The guy that bought it from me crashed it ON THE STREET) Lots of people I knew from over seas living in the US would "buy" 360s in their home country, register them, wait a little while, bring them to the US, "own them" for the requisite time and then sell them.

This is totally illegal if done with intent to defraud the Federal Government.

Now-a-days, with manufacturers like Ferrari and Porsche and General Motors and Ford and DCX leaning on customs to stop these illegal cars from getting in and a heightened "threat level" in these here United States I cannot imagine the bureaucratic hassle involved in getting ROW cars into the US.

Although, I hear that Eurotech can do 360 conversions for $17k and DCO can get 2004 360s with zero (which is to say like-zero) miles for $140,000-ish -- Figure $5,000 to fly the thing in, $25,000 (refundable) bond for customs to ensure conversion, $1,000 in random fees and paperwork -- sounds like a good deal. Plus, most cars you buy over seas come with European registrations which can help allay registration time taxation issues...

17 + 140 + 5 + 1 = Maybe a bargain?

Add a few zeros to some of those numbers and you've got a decent business on the Enzo front...

 

Everyone thank the DOT for making my Enzo cost more............



"Thanks DOT"

 

Don't forget NHTSA!

We should get more young people involved in politics... if we had governors running on platforms of raising speed limits and easing import restrictions so that the street scene could get R34 Skylines, we'd have much greater youth voting turn out.

Ok, maybe not, but it'd be a sweet idea!

 

I didn't forget......... NHTSA is under DOT

www.nhtsa.dot.gov

I think we should have special 145 MPH driver's licenses ---- vote for me!

 

Amen brotha! Also, I'd be willing to pre-pay tickets if I could race any cop that tried to pull me over!

 

Sure man....


Prepay me ..... wire to LETSJET c/o Cayman Isles $100k min.

You see I could be a politician

 

thanks Jim... Im very curious to learn what makes the eurospec Enzos unable to become Federalized.

Lights, bumpers, and emissions are the usual suspects - easy to swap those out, or modify to conform. All the cars appear to otherwise share the same basic construction... ride height, bumper height, wheels/tires, instrumentation etc.

Maybe the DOT is conspiring with Ferrari SPA to limit the number Enzos that reach US soil.

 

Maybe?

Their whole business is predicated on market starvation. (Oh, and building amazing kick-ass super hot hella cool cars that everyone compares their rides to -- that helps, too)

 

What does you tink about dat?

 

Mark,

You're sounding more and more like those cops that gave us 12 tickets on the Palisades a few weeks ago, and I think you need to lighten up before your moderator power trip gets out of hand.

Perhaps this is something that should be taken up with Rob, but I've never participated in a forum before where "banning" was a handed out like punishment to 12-year-olds. "Sit in the corner and think about what you've done, Billy."

Certainly understandable in the case of problem users that cause nothing but grief for the community for an extended period of time after several attempts to remedy with civility (i.e. the 'ol Gordon Green days), but in this case I think an email explaining the netiquette of fchat to Ali would have sufficed, particularly when the "offending" user is not some random guy but instead an active participant and friend of many on this board. That or you could have just deleted the thread and moved on.

This joy you seem to take from "banning" is offensive and uncalled for.

--Noah

 

Ali i apologize for my negative comments i didn't put 2+2 together. Ali is not a troll he is a cool guy and he's for real. Now i want a ride in one of those cars

 

I see your point....back in "the day" there wasn't alot of this sort of thing.... but there have been a lot of stupid a$$ people advertising **** on the board and your boy Ali sure seemed to be one of them. I do post a bit of smack but if you pay attention you will hopefully see my point....Hell, even Helen Keller would find a plunger before sitting on the sh!tter. Post away all you want with opinions and stuff but if I get the idea you are just here to sell stuff then things get a little iffy. If Ali wasn't posting a bunch of ads for cars he doesn't have then I wouldn't really care. He was given a bit of a heads up once and he carried on which, if nothing else, makes him pretty oblivious. At a minimum he should catch an F'ing clue and try to play it cool for a while.

ps.... I don't know what you boyz may have gotten pulled over for on the Palisades but if it was for trying to sell Enzos you don't actually have in your possession then you probably deserved it.

Just one of the perils of a capitalist system.... It's about time we overthrow those profiteering pigs.... Enzos for everyone! at super special middle east Royal Family prices!!

 

you forgot to metion that your a 14 year old muslim and you own a plethera of camels.

 

Hey I can't believe it's not butter, margarine, land o lakes or whatever your screename is, if you are such a big man say it to my face. Tell me the time and place.

 

And it is spelled PLETHORA you idiot.

 

Hey Greg G thanks for injecting some humor homie. Why are people like I can't believe it's not butter and this moderator Mark so damn sexually frustrated ?

 

As I told you, as there are no 0 mile Enzo's, offering one for sale is criminal fraud. As I have already also told you I have contacted the DOT and will post the results of my inquiry. As someone who has great respect for the right to practice any religion I'm confused as to how you reconcile your drinking, denigrating women, and use of foul language with the teachings of the Koran?
Best

 

I know there are no 0 mile enzos (the only miles are the ones put on by the factory). I will send you the photos as I have requested them.

With regards to conversion, go ahead post, and I will send you the petition info too so u can see how adamant u are and wrong.

Wow you are open-minded if u think u are special for letting people practice any religion they want. U deserve the nobel man.

Yes I drink. How do u figure I denigrate women ?

 

If you know there are no 0 mile Enzo's why did you offer 2 for sale?

"the girl is not important but from the neck down she is."

 

Because that is how it is listed on the the information sheet faxed to me by the owner. I was not aware of any of this 0 miles , factory miles, stuff.

I run INCE.com, a 30 million dollar a year, legitimate business dealing with pharma companies, why would I risk that over a mere couple hundred grand on trying to sell a fake ENZO ? How do you accomplish selling a fake ENZO to begin with ? Who in their right mind would even put a deposit on something they were not sure of e.g. see the car, have a legal agreement, etc ? You and Mark and Zipper or zipj are all idiots of the highest order.

Big mistake on my part, thought there were intelligent people on this forum, can't wait to advertise in Dupont Registry and attract sophisticated people with cash, not idiots like you.

I know of someone who has four, all to sell, I am the broker, if someone wants the car, I encourage they come with me on a 12 hour direct Newark flight to Dubai, and see the cars themselves.

You clearly show that you don't have your facts together - I never made that statement Antony R did - go back and read HIS thread. Also that is him in the photos idiot.

 

You are quite correct about who made that statement.

I have no idea why you would offer two O mile Enzo's for sale if you meant to say factory test miles only. The latter is possible. The former is not.

 

I just explained to you - you seem to have one thick head man, that is how it was listed, I guess the person felt that since it is such low mileage they could put 0 miles, but u don't understand that do you ?

I am done explaining myself to idiots.