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308 Overheated Bad....

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  1. PhilB

    PhilB Formula 3
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    While driving home from a local Car Show, my radiator fans did not kick on due to a loose wire (from the radiator thermo sending unit). I didn't realize it until I got home. When I arrived home, both my oil and water temps were maxed out, coolant overflowing from the expansion tank, and steam from the engine compartment and front lid area (looks like the radiator air bleeder grommet was dripping some coolant).

    I shut the car for about 10 minutes (it didn't cool down much in that time) while I checked to see what the problem was. When I realized what had happened, I reconnected that wire and started the car again and let it run for about 5 minutes and the fans brought the oil and water temps down to about 220/210 respectively. Then I put the car away.

    What I plan on next:

    Dump oil and coolant.
    Change oil filter.
    Change thermostat and gooseneck gasket.
    Drop oil pan, examine what I can, replace gasket.
    Dump gear oil (needs to be done anyway).
    Drop gear oil pan and replace gasket (had gasket sitting on a shelf for about a year now).
    Flush radiator.
    Refill all fluids.
    Start car and observe for leaks.

    Can anyone recommend anything else that should be done given this situation?

    Interestingly enough, the check engine light never went on. Not sure if that is another problem, or if I am just overreacting and the overheating did not do any damage.

    Any advice is appreciated,
    Phil
     
  2. jimangle

    jimangle F1 Rookie

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    That's about all you can do.
    How long was the drive for? Was there a lot of stop and start traffic, or was it mostly highway?
     
  3. Darolls

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    Yes 'Grasshopper', a wee bit of an overreaction at this point.

    A 'check engine' light didn't come on because the car doesn't have one. It does have a slow down light, but that's activated by the temp of the cat.

    Top off the coolant and run it. Make sure you 'burp' the system of air.

    Look for any abnormalities......if any observed......dig deeper. If none, drive and enjoy.
     
  4. f355spider

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    Ditto, top up the coolant...drive on. Anything more you do is of little consequence, other than making you "feel" better... ;)

    Hopefully you are no worse for wear.
     
  5. PeterS

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    Contact Eric Schaller on this forum. He builds a custom billet waterpump for 308's. I have one of his and I probably have the coolest running 308 ever. The last two weeks at home was 100+ and my guage (Euro) did not go a hair over 90. Simply an awesome waterpum with extremely high output.
     
  6. Lawrence Coppari

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    Get into the habit of checking your gauges every few minutes. It only takes a split second to scan them while you drive.

    Aluminum engines are far more susceptible to damage from overheating than the old iron blocks.
     
  7. 308GTS

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    Very True. If you blew a headgasket that is serious. After you get the car running correctly check for fluids mixing. Oil in coolant, coolant in oil, exhaust in coolant. It doesn't take long to warp and aluminum head especially if the gauges are maxed out. Always watch your gauges. It is too risky not to.
     
  8. Doc

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    That's a good case in point for watching gauges. Another option to consider in the future is to install a fan switch over-ride switch, so you can turn on the fans at will, in the event of a failure.

    Good luck!
     
  9. PhilB

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    The drive was about 20 minutes, maybe 2 or three red lights. But it was a 30-40mph drive, not highway.

    Phil
     
  10. PhilB

    PhilB Formula 3
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    Your 90C is about 195F (I think), which is where my car runs (usually) - at least, since I installed a new rad and new Spal fans.

    I wonder how much better the new water pump would be. I'll contact Eric.

    Thanks,
    Phil
     
  11. mk e

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    Changing the fluids is a great idea, all I would do is refill the coolant and fix the fan. Dropping the oil pan is really over kill. If there was water boiling out, that's a good thing, it means there was still coolant in the system touching the hot parts. It's almost certainly just fine. Change the fluids and fire it up. The only thing that might have happened is a head gasket, but probably not, 308s are pretty good that way.
     
  12. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

    Dr Tommy Cosgrove Three Time F1 World Champ
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    I had this type of thing happen to me three times. The first was the day after I bought it (84 308). Bad water pump with the spewing and hissing. That was Sept 1997. Next I broke the belt on the water pump in 1998. It got hot enough again to spit, whistle, and blow coolant. Another busted belt in 2000 and the same results from overheating. (I have no idea why the belts were giving me such a problem).

    I have had no problems since the last incident over 4 years and 25,000 miles ago (with well over 1000 of those miles being hard track driving) she has nearly 90,000 miles on her now and still runs hard. These are tough cars. You should be just fine.
     
  13. Verell

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    I had a similar experience back in '01 or '02 when my wp siezed up & melted the belt. By the time I spotted the temp gauge heading for the peg & steam coming from the bonnet, & could shut the car down, it was blowing coolant steam out the reservoir overflow tube with a very noticable whistle.

    After it cooled down, a compression test was fine. No sign of coolant in the oil. Just rebuilt the wp, refilled w/coolant & have put almost 10K miles on it since.
     

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