BMW M5 (E60) VS F430

You are right about it not making a lot of sense because you are wrong about the 360 CS doing the ring in 8:03!! The Ferrari CS does it in 7:56 minutes, which is not a bad time but the Porsche GT3 RS does it in an amazing 7:47 minutes. The difference in those times is a life time on a track!!!

It must be that the Ferrari was tested in Germany by a german driver...hum..do you think they were lifting in some of those corners

All kidding aside, I find it very strange comparing the 360 Modena and the CS side by side on the ring!! (using the comparison section of the site) In some of the corners the Stradale was traveling almost 20 KM slower then the Modena!! Now that does not make any sense: the Stradale has no understeer to speak of, a better track set up by far, more power, stickier tires, quicker shifting speeds and is approx 180 lighter???

In the turns Klosteral 1, Klosteral 2 and Galgenkopf the respective corner speeds of the 360 Modena was 176 km, 94 km and 140 km where the Stradale's corner speeds in those same corners were 158 km, 87 km, and 125 km.

Oh well, it is in print so it must be true

The web site www.track-challenge.com

 

Gorgeous shots. MB makes a very handsome and attractive saloon.

In truth, the only places where the German HP/TQ wars mean much is on the autobahn and on similar European roads.


Forza,


Cavallini

 

The AWD would most likely SLOW the cars down on a road course....
RWD is FAR superior on the track, better balance.

 

That was true of the E46's and E39's. The E90 starts up with 400bhp, and the Power or Sport or whatever button allows you to transition into full 500bhp mode.

 

e90? Haha, I think you meant e60...anyways, when the car starts up, the throttle bodies only open 90%, which apparently limits the power to around 400hp, when you select P500 mode, the throttle bodies are allowed to open completely and the SMG shifts are quickened.

 

Some of you guys are so full of it. I am on my second M3(01 and 03) and they have both run flawless and I run mine very hard every time I am in it. That is one of the most incredible engines I have ever driven. And I am a member of a couple BMW boards and it is well known that these problems were confined to a few months during 2001 and they fixed those cars. I have never even met an owner on those boards that had an engine failure. That's how common they are.

 

Oops! My bad, E60 it is... still waiting anxiously to see how the E90 turns out tho'...

 

Now you've gone and done it. All the BMW dealers will be flooded with people trying to get their deposit in on the new 600 hp v12 e90 super coupe. I have been promised a Dec 07 delivery!

 

Both car are too heavy

 

400bhp V8... the E90's the new 3-series. Even uglier than the E60 IMHO (never underestimate Bangle ).

 

Well, mine blew in a big way, and a friend lost his also. Those are the only two I know of personally, but it's still disturbing, considering how few people I know who own E46 M3s. It is an incredible car, especially considering the price.

Gary

 

If MB were to put in a AWD system, it's going to be a very heavy one. To make an AWd system handle all that torque is it going to have to be very strough or they are going to be breaking parts left and right. In the BImmer the trany is what so amazing in that car. It is were all the speed come from. I know the motor is a piece of art but to have a trany made just for that car that leaves it in the power band all time is amzing. Having the "M" buttom that adds a 100bhp is pretty neat. The detunning of the car is for gas milage not reliablty. I think it is a sweet @ss car and wish I could afford one. I love Ferraris's but this new Bimmer takes the cake.

 

True but the weight is going to go up by another 150-200lb. But I agree that AWD will make the car more usable in all conditions

 

alanhenson, I have had this problem discussing videogames with friends. PS2's tend to break quite a bit, with DVD drive problems, etc. I have a friend that has no problems with his PS2 that he's had for 4, yet he acknnowledges there are problems with most systems. He has had problems with his Xbox, but I have had none, yet I admit Xboxes do tend to have problems. We are just lucky cases.

Not every product that comes out of a factory is EXACTLY the same. Some never break, some break depending on how you treat it, and some always break no matter what.

 

The engine problems were not confined to certain months in '01 production. This is a fantasy. You are sadly misinformed. It appears that you are reading the wrong forums.

Take a look at this: E46 M3 failure archive

What do you make of that info?

What year is your '03? If it was built before June or July you should be expecting a letter from BMW soon about the service action.

I know the E46 M3 is a great car, but to deny it has engine problems is ludicrous.

Greg A

 

Why is the E60 M5 being compare to the F430 and not the Maserati QP? The M5 is a four door sedan and the F430 is a pure bred sports car. If you want you guys should compare the F430 to the SL65, but not even. The e60 M5 is going to be a great four door sedan but if you are getting it to track then you are getting the wrong car. Forget the engine and forget the 7 speed SMG, it is still a four door sedan with a nice package.

 

While I own neither the 430 or the E60 M5, I do own a 355 and an E34 M5. The E34M5 is heavy, smooth, and feels sluggish compared to the 355, even though my M5 was supercharged producing 465HP at flywheel. BUT, its a wonderful, 4 door marvel that you plan to drive across North America without a worry. The 355 is a wailing banshee, by comparison, a truly erotic driving experience. BUT, its totally impractical in all respects and I'll never drive it across NA because I don't want to break down and be stuck in a motel. No wonder Ferrari's have only 5-15K miles after 10 years -- they are like exceptionaly expensive jewels one wears to the occasionalf party. BTW, just getting my 30K service which, with shot manifold, will cost 10$ of the value fo the car.

 

These arguments are asinine. Who is going to buy an M5 INSTEAD of an F430? If you can afford an F430, you will generally have another car as a daily driver. Most current model Ferrari owners that I know have three or four cars. Having said that, I literally just came back from placing an order on the new M5 after placing an order last week for the F430. If they are both great cars, doing differenr things why have one or the other?

 

The percentage of failed M3 is so small. I have greater faith in my M3 than any car I own or have owned. And I drive the crap out of it.

There were 20,000 M3 in the USA affected by this "problem". 48,000 worldwide. The blown engines numbered at least 128 according to John Turkels website

They will be doing the bearings on my car under recall. In one day. Perfect. As they always are.

And I have a 6yr 100k mile warranty to make nice nice.

Ferrari and Lambo won't cover a clutch at 2k miles.

My Porsche 996 had the rear seal issue. No recall, no extension of warranty...though it was a serious problem.

There is no doubt in my mind that BMW is a much better car than any exotic. But is has to be that way. Like anything you build, the more you make, the better you make them, can throw engineering hours at them, and figure out the bugs. It's true in my business too.

 

Hey Kevin ... you wont happen to have any pics of your MV Agusta handy huh?

Thanks in advance

 

any car as ugly as the m5 should not be mentioned in the same sentence as as a ferrari. bmw has lost its way. they are just about to screw up the 3 series, too!

 

Not a good one. I need to take some. Here is one. It is the greatest bike ever. Sooooo much fun

 

I must recant. At the grocery store last night I browsed a copy of Automobile magazine's feature on the new M5. It is stunning, by far the best of Bangle. Very masculine yet sleek for around the price as the QP.

I can understand having a 430 and an M5, but a QP and an M5? I think the QP may be in trouble. It needs more horses....perhaps the 5.7 from the 575. I doubt Ferrari would ever do that but it would be lovely.

Your thoughts,

Cavallini