Somewhere everyone should go- Auschwitz

THANKS PETE...THATS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT....

BESIDES I CARE NOT TO WASTE ANY MORE TIME WITH IGNORANCE AND ALOT OF " LOL"s IN HIS LAST STATEMENT..


BRUCE

 

Thanks Pete!

DL

 

In the end some take looking after Number 1 too far. Putting your head in the sand and ignoring the attrocities that surround you is NO way to live your life ... I'm all right Jack, who gives a fnck about others

Many of the people IMO who got the most upset (especially in safe Australia) about the Iraq invasion were the ones that only concern was for their own safe little, happy lives. They did not want to have their perfect lives altered and were quite happy to accept and then ignore what the madman Saddam was doing to innocent people, because well, I guess, it was not them so they did not care.

As I said before ZORRO (ironic user name, the one that fought for the little guy) you should care, feel a degree of guilt, shame and dispair. I guess ignorance really is bliss ...

Enough said.
Pete

 

Jehovahs Witness's were also killed along side the jews, regardless of
skin / hair / eye color. They we're set free for simply revoking their
faith (Jew's did not have this choice. They we're considered of another
race alltogether, and forever "jewish").

 

Uh ... I just don't understand how you got to your point.

I was typing another long explanation, but it would lead to the same BS you're serving me, and I am truly offended you say I support murdering of millions. Do not bother to apologize. You have just stepped into the "discard" zone. You can assume whatever pleases you. You just have completely misunderstood my post.

Everything I said was never meant to offend anyone, and if anyone is lead by some to think I'm a neo-nazi *******, I will do no more except saying you're ridiculously wrong.

Sorry for this hi-jack ... didn't think it would lead us here.

 

Enough of this stupid crap, if you have something to contribute in the original spirit of the thread then go ahead but otherwise consider the thread closed.

 

I have seen the horrific images of the Nazi's doing medical experimants on prisoners. Such as brain surgery in a such horriable manner that the "scientist" (for lack of a word to describe them for what they really were) only had a few minutes to perform there "tests",before the prisoner died. They murdered so many men women and childern....pause....in their twisted quest for the perfect human. There experiments were not for the better of human kind..they were for their own twisted and discussting purposes.

I have such a distain for ANYBODY who tries to make light of anything that came from these attrocites. These camps were set up for one reason only..and that was to exterminate people. People just like you and me. Children were not exempted. People were gased, starved, cut up, experimented on, tortured, and humiliated.

This is a monument to how sick and twisted people can become,once they get drunk on power. It is a symbol of humans at their worst.

I have sevear feelings pain when ever I see,read or hear anything about the holocost. Somtimes I have found myself crying when the subject comes up. Even though I was not there..the feelings of pain and remorse get very difficult to contain. I really hope this thread does not turn into a flame battel. As the people who were apart of those pictures deserve much more respect then that.

 

As far as Sharon with Quebec and Europe ? I do not think that Quebec has to worry about American military action/terrorism on their soil. It sure makes it "easy" today, in the case of France, when you have neighbors like Belgium and Germany. I am sure the Europeans and others, would have to deal with the political situation quite similar to Israel; if they lived in that area of the world. The neighbors of Israel, do not know freedom, free elections, and democracy. They know military dictatorships, severe corruption, nepotism, monarchies, religious intolerance, no middle class, and religious fundamentalism. etc...


You are incorrect about anti-semitism being overexposed (mediatic) in Europe. It is definitely on the rise. There are scholarly articles devoted to this particular subject. - Not that I am looking or have "ever" looked for love from the Europeans. LOL It is "bizarre" that you brought up two instances of anti-semitism in France, that were a farce. That is like talking about a new story, of a lazy bum (who just found a little task to do), who always hangs around the trailer park. Suppose he got a menial task, and raked leaves for two days. Would you think it is important to talk about how he worked the two (2x) days; for the first time in seven years ? - This is of course when you are talking about the overall financial contribution of the person (bum) to his family.


The multiple laughing in one of your posts, and hint at posting some jokes, does not seem appropriate in this thread. The thread subject has a more somber and serious nature. You have a propensity to speak of sick and twisted behavior/genocide. It even appears to be a fascination ? I am not sure ? It "is" different. You also would like to know why people followed Hitler ? That really does not go well in this particular thread. I suppose it would not be an issue; if you brought it up one particular time. This is not the case. For someone that does not care much about the "how and where," you have no problem explaining your take on the issues.


On genocide. The Holocaust was not a "simple" genocide as you commented. I am NOT minimizing other acts of genocide. Example the Khmer Rouge, Rwanda, and Communist purges in Russia etc..... The Holocaust was different. They did not just give out a few old Mausers and carry out a street brawl. There was a "complete" organized beaureaucratic effort, by an "industrialized MODERN country," to wipe out a serperate successful contributing race. The Nazis devoted some of the "creme of the crop," to carry out their organized killing system. The Wermacht would at times, have less priority in obtaining supplies/scheduling/moving logistics; in relation to the SS killing squads/operations. Critical trains carrying war supplies would also at times, be diverted to carry out the organized process of genocide against the Jews. You had the government, police, military, and some civilian sectors, all tied together in an effort to carry out genocide. Quite a few doctors, accountants, scientists, top party officials, companies, and the official State media etc... were all involved. - This is "how" it is "different" from a tin pot dictator in Rwanda or Sudan etc..., who unleashes his secret police, or military to kill his enemies. It IS still genocide. It is NOT official industralized genocide, that is perpetrated by a modern country.

 

Thank you for pointing this out once more. This is exactly the scaring and shameful (in lack of a stronger word) characteristic of what happened.

This is also why I am totally opposed to any tendency to regard the life of certain humans as "less valuable" than those of others. You might remember our discussion in the P&R section when I critized your support of killing the family members of terrorists. Those are Nazi methods and the obligation to never let happen those things again should apply for all of us.

 

I think the problem is that we were not talking about anti-semitism so much as a particular ugly part of it. Racism caused the holocaust, yes and yes all racism is bad ... but what happened to the Jews (or the ones that did not fit the mold) in WWII is far worse than burning down somebodies library, etc.

Thus I think you are talking about racism ... we are talking directly about the holocaust (sp?).

Nobody should be able to accept the holocaust IMO.
Pete

 

Allow me to quote myself : "I meant the Holocaust is sicker than your typical genocide". Is this sentence short and simple enough to be understood?

The fake stories were brought up to illustrate how I believe people in general are much more sensitive to anti-semitism, I never meant it's all BS, because unfortunately it's not. And if you point out it's been shown it actually is on the rise, I'll take your word for it.

I guess the issue with my posts is that I'm able to talk open mindedly about such events. Indeed I have no problem explaining my opinion on these issues, and my pragmatism was confused with indifference (my bad, I guess). But I still fail to understand how that lead some to believe I condoned or minimized the Holocaust, because it definitely is not the case.

My last reply in this post. Way to hi-jacked already.

 

All from your personal collection of favorites?

Wearing brown again today?

DL

 

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All from your personal collection of favorites?

Wearing brown again today?


On a lighter note Darth - just noticed that was your 4,000th post

Cheers Kevan
See you down the road - with huge grins on our faces

 

See ya there!!!

DL

 

On your curiosity, as to why people have (raised issues with your comments) on the Holocaust.

It does not help to bring up the following points in a serious Holocaust thread:



1. A hint at posting sick and twisted jokes. - This was your very first comment in the thread.

2. A statement that you lacked interest with the "how and where," the Nazis did their work.

3. You brought up two instances of staged anti-semitism in France. - This was also in addition to your comment that anti-semitism, was over publicized in the media.

4. Adding alot of laughter to a serious gruesome subject. In one of your posts.

5. Going off the subject matter and talking about how hating the Israeli Gov't (Sharon) was different than hating Jews. There was no need to bring this up in a Holocaust thread.

6. Talking about what is a more useful genocide - This is in reference to the cold water experiments.

7. You often felt the need to give extra explanations to your posts. You went into detail about misinterpretations. It is very simple. Everyone can read. Say what you mean. Mean what you say.

 

Thank you.

DL

 

APOLOGY ACCEPTED IN MY BOOK, STEVE............

 

There is a go exhibition on Auschwitz at the Imperial War Museum in London

 

Nice words.


GO ASTROS !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

reading the posts about the "scientific experiments" conducted by these people makes me wonder whether we got them all after the camps were liberated. I know that Nuremburg trials got the major political/military individuals, but there had to be a large number of "doctors" who were not snagged in those trials. I also know that organizations like the Simon Weisenthal Center have been working relentlessly for sixty years to ferret out the murderers. It makes me ill to think that someone who did sadistic experiments could have been living comfortably for the last 60 years.

Another concern for me (in terms of the guilty going scot-free) is finding the Japanese prison camp perpetrators of the same kinds of sadism. Wording this as carefully as I can so as not to offend the Japanese F-chatters, my sense is that the level of investigation into Japanese war crimes was not as thorough as that for the Germans. I know that, just as at Nuremburg, the higher profile political/military Japanese perpetrators found the end of a rope. But are there equivalent organization like the Simon Weisenthal Center dedicated to finding these guys from the Pacific theater? My sense is also that Germany, as a nation, has done more soul-searching about its actions in the war than the Japanese have done. I believe that just today on CNN.com I read a story about a Japanese comic book series being recalled that made light of the Japanese "Rape of Nanjing." Again - it makes me insane to think that there may be a comfortably retired Japanese businessman walking around free today who may have systematically beheaded American POWs 60 years ago.

The longer it takes me to draft this post, I start to think about the other side of the coin as well - I have read that the Russians may have raped over 10,000 German women when they came into Berlin. I would like to puff out my chest and declare that no American army ever committed atrocities AS A MATTER OF POLICY, but there are probably those who would argue with that - esp. re: events like the Dresden/Hiroshima bombings.

Food for thought.