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intermittent Boxer a/c?

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  1. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

    Sep 4, 2001
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    Franklin E. Parker
    While driving my Boxer yesterday the a/c started blowing less cold air...not hot air...just not cold air . After stopping to get gas, the a/c worked fine for 30 minutes or so and then did the same thing. I then stopped at Road Atlanta for an hour or so and after getting back in the car the a/c worked fine all the way home. What is the likely culprit for such an intermittent problem?
     
  2. carlrose

    carlrose Formula Junior

    Nov 25, 2003
    327
    Hi Mr. Parker,

    Need to isolate this to electrical or refrigerant charge. A few thoughts:

    * Too much moisture in system can cause icing up, which would "melt" when you stopped for gas. Especially on hot/humid day. I would think less likely to have leak in system as function would not return.
    * Problems intrinsic to electrical control system: compressor clutch, ground, continuous power supply.

    Haynes publishes an "Automotive Heating & Air Conditioning Manual" (ISBN #1850104808) which is an excellent general reference. I would probably start with verifying high/low side pressures.

    Hope this gets you started.

    :) Carl
     
  3. WaltP

    WaltP Formula 3

    Nov 1, 2003
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    Frank, Too litttle freon can cause the coil to freeze up and cause the kind of problems that you describe. If the AC worked well before and is now acting up I suspect a low refrigerant charge.
     
  4. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

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    That's what I suspect too. I think I'll replace the dryer and add a fresh charge of R12.
     
  5. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Sep 18, 2002
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    Should have bought an 8 cylinder!! :)
     
  6. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

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    I've had two 8 cylinder Italian cars badged as Ferraris, a 328GTS and a 348 Spider and liked them too. And, I believe that my Boxer has the same York compressor as my old 328. I currently have a 8 cylinder BMW M5 which is my daily driver.
     
  7. Sean F.

    Sean F. F1 Rookie

    Feb 4, 2003
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    Do you have the vent open?

    I don't know how the vent/AC system works on the Boxer, but last week on a drive the AC was blowing cold, then I noticed it was blowing hot from the outside top dash vents, and cold from the middle one!!??!! I finally realized I had the vents to the outside open pulling in hot air from the outside and mixing it with the cold AC air coming out the top dash outlets.

    I just re-did my AC and thought something was wrong at first. A quick flip of the lever fixed the situation and all the air returned to cold again.
     
  8. jselevan

    jselevan Formula 3

    Nov 2, 2003
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    Frank - check your fuses. The 3 fuses on the right end of the right block protect the fans. If they have gotten hot and distorted the block, you may no longer be making contact. Turning on the A/C turns on the middle fan. If that fuse is gone, then your A/C system may be getting too hot. As a result, your high pressure switch in the charged system may be cutting off the A/C.

    This has happened to me. Check the fuses before doing anything else. Also, with the engine off but ignition on, turn on the A/C. Do you hear the compressor clutch activate? You should. Let the system cool before doing this in case it is a high pressure situation.

    Jim S.
     
  9. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

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    The radiator fan for the a/c on my BB512i is the fan on the far right(passenger side) not the center fan . That's the way its shown in the OM too. In any event, the fans are all working fine and I had my fuse boxes replaced with new soldered ones last year as they were getting too hot. It is a weird problem as the a/c blows cold air for 30-60 minutes while driving and then just starts blowing warmer air. After I stop the engine for a few minutes, it starts blowing cold air again and the cycle repeats. I think it is the dyer and/or a low freon charge.
     
  10. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 11, 2001
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    Frank -- One (easy) thing you could try when it stops working properly is to leave it running, get out (quickly), and look at the refrigerant flow in the sight glass on the drier and compare it to the "flow" when it's working correctly.

    If there's no refrigerant flow when "bad" you could try measuring the voltages on the high/low switch terminals --

    no +12V on any switch terminal (relative to chassis ground) -- you've got an upstream power supply (or control) problem.

    +12V on one side of the switch(es) but not the other (going to the compressor) -- either the switch is bad, or it's working correctly and the system pressure is getting out-of-bounds.

    If things are working correctly, all high/low switch terminals should be at +12V (relative to chassis ground).
     
  11. carlrose

    carlrose Formula Junior

    Nov 25, 2003
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    All sound advice.

    One other thing - the 328 has a "low pressure electrical switch" located on the dryer which cuts off the compressor when refrigerant charge is too low to avoid burning up compressor. Not sure if 512i is similar?

    :) Carl
     

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