Enzo beats Carrera GT on Top Gear track--------------

But even that quick a movement - or movements - still represents more than what is required with an F1 gearbox; i'm not trying to argue this into oblivion, but we ARE talking about milliseconds here...

Just think; would Ferrari have made the F1 gearbox available and then integrated it into its roadcars and made it so prevalent, if it weren't really the better of the two shifting options...?

 

Armen; the NNO in your avatar... is that 133023...?

 

I have no idea. YOUR the expert! =) Im 99.99% sure its a chop though..

Here the same picture just bigger: http://www.kk.iij4u.or.jp/~knight/images/gallery_image/enzo.jpg

 

I love how these two cars get thrown around so much at competing against each other. From the videos I have seen, and the people that have commented on driving them, they are 2 just simply different cars. Designed that way. If you watch someone driving an Enzo, Clarkson is a great example, they are overtaken with excitement but with a very respectful and focused expression about them. Watch the same person driving a Carrera GT and they are extremely excited but driving in a more playful and looser way. I think the CGT is a more "fun" car to drive. The top comes off, it's a manual, and seems to want to slide more in a more controllable manor. The Enzo on the other hand is always referred to as something along the lines of "hard edged" or "extremely focused". Not that the CGT can’t be driven to the racked edge and show very impressive times and measurements.
It just seems to me the CGT is would be more enjoyable driving through the countryside on a beautiful day than the Enzo, which is probably more "fun" on the track letting speed help push the car down so to push it to the limits. It’s a bare skinned essentials only racer.

Just my thoughts.

 

Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda.... Yeah, the paddles are a part of the car. The Porsche coulda been faster if it had a bigger engine... Lighter weight... so on... IT DOESN'T. and thats why its NOT faster.

Thank god!!!

 

lol... true ! !

Armen, don't get me wrong.... i would take an Enzo over the Carrera GT in a heartbeat!!!

 

Geez i hope you're joking.

 

I dunno whats up with my server at school, but the download says it will take upwards of 30 hours with the high speed connection. If anyone is online within the next couple of hours (and have msn) could you please send it to me? Should be a real quick transfer over msn. It would be greatly appreciated! Dying to see the vid!

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Um... Wow... That's hot...


Peter, why do you hope i'm joking...?

 

Top Gear tests are far from scientific proof of which car is faster. As previously stated, if both cars were tested back to back with professional drivers, that would be a little more credible. The fact that these were drivens months apart under totally different conditions obviously makes a difference.

Anyway, it was weird to hear them keep calling it an F60. Nobody else does that. Infact, I thought I recall reading that it is never going to be the F60. At least they did not call it a N N O.

 

LOL... How could you tell - Enzo & NNO sound exactly the same...

 

You cannot dismiss track conditions, they can make several seconds difference, more than enough to swing this comparison decisively in either direction. Top Gear is notoriously unscientific about their test conditions so in reality their lap time board is completely meaningless.

Your comments are way off base, Mason actively drives his cars. In fact you should be sending thanks to Mr. Mason because I don't see many other Enzo owners lining up to allow their car to get thrashed by journalists.

 

"Thrashes?" LMAO! You must be smoking or drinking something.

The CGT is a superb machine......but the Enzo beat it for the world to see. End of story. Accept the fact with grace.

Perhaps on another track with a different driver it would be a different story. Good for Porsche. But ultimately.....WHO CARES? The Enzo sells for twice it's MSRP and the CGT will probably trade around $375,000 by the time production stops. Depending on your perspective, this could be a good or a bad event. I find it tantalizing.

The fact is that the CGT is an overachiever considering the Enzo outguns it in all TQ and HP respects; yes, an overachiever-- silicon carbide, ultra-low center of gravity clutch, included.


Forza,


Cavallini

 

You sound desperate for any excuse to me. Do you own Porsche stock or something?
Gentlemen, the CGT is a superb car. But the Enzo beat it on the same track, with the same driver. Don't quibble over minutiae..."The Stig is faster now than he was then..." LMAO! I'm surprised you haven't pulled out the old Ferrari line: "Ferrari's aren't about numbers." LMAO!

FWIW, I thought the CGT would be slightly quicker around the track. Oh well.


Forza,


Cavallini

 

Yep, the Enzo beat the CGT by .8 sec on a 1:19 track, but on two sthe tests were conducted on two seperate days seperated by months! Then again, the CGT beat (er: "THRASHED") the Enzo by over a sec on a sub 60 sec track on the same day, in the same conditions. Go figure.

 

Good for Porsche. And when I own both, I'll test them myself and send you a copy of the tape.



Forza,



Cavallini

 

That test was fishy to say the least. The Murcielago posted better braking # than the Enzo. Yeah right.

 

Enzo losing=fishy?

Hrmmm

 

Yep, the ignorant bias shown on most auto boards is hard to comprehend. I've several Pcars (might even accept delivery of my CGT later this month as well), but also dearly love my CS. But, it just cracks me up when we don't hear dick on the Fcar boards after the AMS test had the CGT handing the Enzo a new rear end, but it's a highly popular topic around here when a contradictory, less scientifically achieved Top Gear test produced .8 difference (a 70% smaller diff on a 25% shorter track! than the AMS test) in the Enzo's favor. Cognitive disonance is just so painful for some that they'll do whatever it takes to deny it away.

 

Getting back to F1 shifting vs manual shifting, the NNO shifts quickest when the accelerator is fully depressed and the engine is running over 5,500 RPMs...

Now imagine fully depressing the accelerator in an NNO as you watch in a mixture of calculation and glee as the RPMs rapidly climb towards 5,500... As the needle waves past 5,000, it's at 6,000 in the blink of an eye and you realize you can shift; your fingers reach for the right-hand paddle; click, BOOM! You're in the next gear, RPMs lowered, but rapidly climbing again... Oh, man, what a car...!

 

Given that the Enzo fetches better than $1.1 million these days and CGT's are going roughly at MSRP or around 40% of the Enzo's cost, I guess that .8 of a second must now be worth approximately $650,000!

I agree with Clarkson that the F40 is The Real Supercar in the Ferrari lineup. Definitely more fun to drive and it also looks like a real supercar.

Kudos also to Mason. He's a real car enthusiast and he stepped up to allow Top Gear to do this great show.

 

I want to know how a 1650 kgs Lambo with 355 mms discs can post better brakind distance # than a 1350 kgs Enzo with 380mm discs.

Im just curious..

 

What do you expect ? Its Ferrari chat here not Porsche Chat.

And btw , that test was discussed here.

 

It's unfortunate that ALL the news doesn't make it here, but like Andrew said, it's a Ferrari board...

 

It's also arguably a Conservative board, but that doesnt stop the Left!


Ah man I love this board.