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  1. FarmerDave

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    #26 FarmerDave, Nov 6, 2004
    Randy's right, don't let somebody hit you. It's not that there is "no fault" attributed to an accident on private property or a parking lot... what will show up on the "loss reports" that insurance companies all share with each other is a "questionable fault" accident. This can be just as damaging to your auto insurance rates as a negligent accident.

    Then use it to clean underneath your fingernails and open shipping cartons.

    Never bring a knife to a gunfight. :D
     
  2. Kram

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    #27 Kram, Nov 6, 2004
    Everyone has a duty to avoid an accident, and that takes precedence over who has the ‘right of way’. Mind you the old guy behaved very badly - it’s an example of society looking to laws rather than manners to regulate it’s daily existence, but that aside, look at it this way:

    Bill Nerk is driving his wife into the parking lot so that she can go shopping with his credit card, which after all, is her idea of a family bonding moment. Right as he pulls into the parking lot, bracing himself for the forthcoming act of financial devotion, she tells him that she has just had sex with the pool guy (who got his driving license two years ago) and now she’ll never sleep with Bill again, he’s old, boring, and his socks smell like the back end of a skunk. In point of fact Frisky the dog has a better chance some action, and he’s been neutered. Bill freezes at the wheel, the vein on his left temple bulging like a red gummy worm, and then some SUV starts to back into his path. In a demonstration of testosterone fueled action Bill slaloms through the mobile maze and deftly parks the car in an open spot. And who the hell steps out?? The pool guy’s clone! And he wants Bill to suck it in and apologize!!
    The red mist rises, shrinking Bill’s forebrain and pumping up his biceps......

    You know the rest. Every coin has two sides.
     
  3. Aureus

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    #28 Aureus, Nov 8, 2004
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    Actually no, look at the situational pictures I drew already Uro. He came around a corner where his view is blocked by a BUILDING. He had less of a view than I did. I looked over my shoulder, no one coming around the corner and backed out. He then came around the corner and instead of using the ample space he has to stop when he sees me, already blocking the roadway itself form his passage he decides to drive around me via a loading/unloading/parking space zone. Whatever it is, it is used to park cars while going to the video store or the other stores next to it.

    I was not only already half way out, the only reason he could pass me was because of the indent there in the sidewalk for two cars to park! If that wasn't there he couldn't have gone around me in the first place!

    Here's a map better explaining the situation in question. Brown marks building, ie object you can not see throw. The green lines are my field of view when I started backing out. The blue lines is his field of view before rounding the corner. The red X is where I was located when he rounded corner and then drove around me and swore at me. I mean do I have to go out there with a digital camera and take pictures of the place? Bear in mind the map is not to scale, but his view is entirely blocked by that building.
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  4. Aureus

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    #29 Aureus, Nov 8, 2004
    And he still wouldn't be justifed in what he did, or in his desire to swear at me from his car. Every coin has two sides, but it only comes up one way.
     
  5. Artherd

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    #30 Artherd, Nov 8, 2004
    My friend, my message was intended to convey to you the idea that just because 'this is California' that does not mean everyone you hop out of a vehicle at will be unarmed.

    However, an armed man would be twice a fool to start yelling and threatening YOU as did the driver of that SUV, typically LEGALLY carrying a gun makes a person inclined to go to *great* legenths to avoid a confrontation.

    It's the hothead mentally unstable criminals with a stolen Jennings in their pants you need to worry about.

    I suggest you consider the same avoidance (sounds like you already do most of the time.) I'd also upgrade your weapon of choice.

    I am not indicating you did anything of the sort, nor do I frankly care. Just be aware of the greater world we live in.

    Traffic junk is absolutely meaningless, although I confess, the freeloaders on my highways piss me off from time to time too!
     
  6. nwocorp

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    #31 nwocorp, Nov 8, 2004

    he showed poor driving but field of vision doesnt change anything he had the right of way not you
     
  7. judge4re

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    #32 judge4re, Nov 8, 2004
    Flip him the bird if it makes you feel better. Otherwise, get over it.

    Most of the posters could not survive 5 minutes in Shanghai by the sound of it...

    As my dad told me when I was 6 years old:

    There's @ssholes everywhere...

    The other thing you could have done is what I do when someone tries yelling at me. Laugh back at them.
     
  8. formula1joe

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    #33 formula1joe, Nov 8, 2004
    This is not entirely true. Yes in a private lot, there is no fault, but since you were in reverse you are automatically at fault in most states. Reverse is deemed illegal and any action that happens due to you being in reverse will constitute you being at fault by an insurance company is my understanding.

    I am not saying you are at fault, the azzhole with the SUV could have waited 3 seconds for you to finish your backing out, but he probably drives the large SUV with uncontrollable desire thanks in part to his small 3rd member that his wife has sadly replaced with a 13" vibrating one.
     
  9. PeterS

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    #34 PeterS, Nov 8, 2004
    This is probably a daily occurance in Shanghai. CRAZY driving there. I was in a cab there a year ago and the driver was doing about 45 down an alley with the horn full blast for three blocks with people everywhere dodging his car!
     
  10. TexasF355F1

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    #35 TexasF355F1, Nov 8, 2004
    You're tellin me. I swear i get pissed off at people in parking lots. The worst is on campus. There is only so much room on each row. You can fit one car comfortably, but when the idiots drive the WRONG ****ING WAY up the row, you have to scoot over so damn far and so close to other cars it enrages me. And when they drive by me they look at me like i dont know how to drive. Idiots!
     
  11. Aureus

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    #36 Aureus, Nov 8, 2004
    I can not legally carry a gun in California, otherwise I would.
     
  12. Aureus

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    #37 Aureus, Nov 8, 2004
    Yes I was in reverse. I was in reverse before he came around the corner. I was in reverse before he could see me. I was very close to finishing my reverse process. I by all rights have the right of way to finish pulling out of my parking spot and leave. I fail to see how it is possible for someone who is coming around a corner he can not see to have the right of way on someone already in the road way, blocking the legal flow of traffic, pulling out of his parking spot.

    Can you please explain to me in detail how he had the right of way? In the current situation, not in a fictional “straight line, you reverse in front of someone therefore they had the right of way”

    Even then, if he did have the legal right-of-way. It doesn’t matter. The law is essentially a guide line when it comes to traffic, not an absolute. No matter how the situation becomes sliced the safest, the soundest, the most logical and the most sane thing to do on his part would have been to slow down and wait the second and a half necessary to let me turn my wheel, put in D and drive off. If I had not been watching my mirrors and stopped when I saw him starting to go around me we would of collided and I’d be looking at a totaled car (old Volvos aren’t worth much) and he’d be looking at fixing the body panels on his Lexus.
     
  13. ItalianStallion

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    #38 ItalianStallion, Nov 8, 2004
    LOL...sorry man, that diagram that you drew is crackin' me up. Particularly the last frame where you typed in "F@ck you." Oh man.
     
  14. nwocorp

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    #39 nwocorp, Nov 8, 2004
    When backing out you where moving into the flow of traffic, you continue doing this until you are traveling foward in the direction of the flow of the traffic.

    The law is NOT "essentially a guide line when it comes to traffic, not an absolute" many many people get in trouble and charged for stupid, even unsafe laws. A good and safe driver will sometimes break the laws resulting in a better/ safer outcome but the laws are not just there to have laws and enforcement. Some are safety but most offer a frame work that allows other drivers to have an idea and expection of what the other roads users are going to do eg indicating before changing lanes, it allows those around you to a. know what you are doing and b. change their driving to suit. Im guessing you have never driven anywhere that road rules are just guides, it is pretty much anarchy

    I agree with you he should have stopped it would have been the most intelligent and safe thing to do, that doesnt change that you where in the wrong, i have been in this situation many times, you just go back into the spot and let them past
     
  15. Aureus

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    #40 Aureus, Nov 8, 2004
    Given that I was actually at the point where I am not going either with or against the flow of traffic and my hand is depressing the shifter button to move it from R to D... I would say I qualify as travelling with the flow of traffic. Hence why I say if I had not been watching my rear the entire time we would have crashed because of what he did. I would have started travelling forward and he would have been pinched off and either a) gone up onto the sidewalk and likely hit a light pole or a planter or b) hit me.

    The laws are guide lines. They are enforced guidelines but they are guide lines. The entire concept of "do what the law says because it is the law" is a stupid and foolish thing. You do the correct and the right thing and the law can go jump off a cliff. The laws are a guideline you break when necessary and when it is safe to do so (ie, speed limits). And yes the law IS a guideline. You do the SAFTEST THING and give the finger to the law. This a pervasive problem in modern society that “the law is the law and that’s what you do.” NO! You do the rational, the intelligent and the safe thing. You don’t follow the law blindly even though it has you doing something unsafe or stupid. Red arrows, green light, you can see that there is no traffic coming? Why in god’s name should we wait for the arrow to turn green? Why? Because it’s the law? Bull.


    Read what you wrote several times. You agree that
    A) He should have stopped
    B) That stopping would have been smart
    C) That stopping would have been safest
    D) Therefor you agree that he was not only being an idiot, he was being unsafe.

    Yet from all of that we draw the conclusion that I am wrong? Bollocks. That is the same as being a Doctor and saying "look we know that you will die in 15 days if we don't put you on treatment A, but the law says we can't put you on treatment A because it is only approved for Adults and you are only 17 and 11 months. Sorry, but well, I'll drop some flowers by your grave, the law is the law after all".

    I also note I still say I have the right of way in this matter. You need to consider the timing and the condition of the terrain so to speak. The first moment he sees me and I see him I have already backed out into the roadway and it takes the same, or less, time for me to drive off as it does for me to drive back into my spot. Instead of stopping (as he would need to do no matter what I would of done if the indent for parking didn't exist) he chooses to illegally drive around me without slowing down. He had no right of way, what he did was simply illegal and foolish.
     
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