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308 Hard time getting up.

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by Michael J, Nov 18, 2004.

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  1. Michael J

    Michael J Rookie

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    I owned a body shop for nine years but on my 308 front hood, when I pop the hood handle the hood stays down and I need to reach around the door and pull the hood up. I have taken the latches apart and cheaned out 24 years of nasty stuff. I have put them back in and spent two days worth of alinement and it works much better, but I still can't get it up, with out a little help from my hand. Has any one, or does any one have heaver springs for the latches. Is this a problem with any one else getting it up. The oil and Viagra didn't work eather. Thanks Mike
     
  2. Chiaroman

    Chiaroman Formula 3
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    When I pull the latch the driver side latch releases but the passenger side sticks (stays locked) about 50% of the time.

    I then need to pull the latch a second time and then I am fine.

    Tom
     
  3. FerrariFrank1

    FerrariFrank1 F1 Rookie

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    My '81 is the same way...When I pull the Hood Release,only the Drivers side "unlocks". But...not every time. Sometimes it works fine. Gotta kind of reach in and pull the Hood Release,while simutaneously pulling up on the Hood.
     
  4. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Both front and rear hatches on mine work that way.

    I don't think there is a lifting spring to make it "boing''.....so, no boing!

    Have your Trophy Queen lift it......that's what I do..........
     
  5. funshipone

    funshipone Formula Junior

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    I have same drivers side opens but passenger side needs little help.
     
  6. Birdman

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    Mine does the same thing. I never thought to try viagra though. Gotta try that.
     
  7. Steve King

    Steve King F1 Rookie

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    My 77 both unlatch but you need to pull it up with your hand. Must be a standard problem
     
  8. tuttebenne

    tuttebenne F1 Rookie

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    My front bonnet works fine; one pull both unlatch and I just lift it. But the rear does the same thing you mention. It didn't always do that though. I adjusted it one day and its been like that ever since. I think its a self induced problem. Forget the Viagra, try olive oil.
     
  9. Birdman

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    On a related issue, I adjusted the latches on my engine cover a while back and fixed this problem. I used to carry a wadded up paper towel with me that I would stuff into the release handle to hold it open while I got out and went around back to open the engine cover. I finally adjusted the length of the hooks in the cover that catch in the latch mechanism. When properly adjusted, they actually release and stay released when you pull the lever. If you have too much play in the system, the cover won't lift enough for the hooks to disengage the latch. Maybe the same is true in the front lid.

    Birdman
     
  10. thecarreaper

    thecarreaper F1 World Champ
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    kick ass info...... my engine-hood-bonnet-support-rod-thingy is broken. my theory is the support rod helps to release the engine cover. i have not had time to fix the prop rod, but at least now i have a plan of attack. the big arse piece of wood i am using to hold the heavy cover up has garnered some interesting comments from the shop doing the belts and such!
     
  11. Sean F.

    Sean F. F1 Rookie

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    Nope, the rod thingy has nothing to do with it.

    Put new seal/rubber molding around the hood. Mine's new and sort of 'springs' open the hood when I pull the release. When I took the molding off to fix the AC system it wouldn't open at all.
     
  12. Jdubbya

    Jdubbya The $10 Trillion Man
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    I agree. I have gotten in the habit of walking around the door and reaching back to pull the release while also pulling up on the hood. Works well. I also noticed that it had a little play and found that the pin section of the front hood that actually goes into the latch is worn. Looks like the only way to fix it is go to a shop and have them weld build it up as it's permanently attached to the hood.

    The rear actually works about 95% of the time and the other 5% just takes a second pull on the release and all is fine. Odd though on the rear of mine it is the driver side that sticks not the passenger side.
     
  13. Michael J

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    Well guys and girls. She pops like a rocket. I did some machine work on the hood latches and I thought I would show you a couple of picks.
     
  14. pad

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    Pics look good. How about a narration on what you actually found to be the problem within the latch and exactly what you did to solve it. Also, in hind site, could the problem be resolved without taking the latch apart? ( I have same issues with by front lid.)
     
  15. Michael J

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    Well I was in a hurry to go to dinner last night and the wife thinks I love my computer more than her. But anyways, the first picture with the razor knife is to mark the location of the original position which is a good starting point when you get back to the mounting of the latches. Second pick is making sure of the driver side D and the passenger side P. Third pick is the removal of the metal pin for the hood latch clasp. Forth pick shows the removed pin, spacers, clasp, and the original position of the spring when it came out. Next pick is turn the steel rod to make the new pin. Sixth pick is drilling out the rod so the 10mm bolt can pass through and pin into the mounting plate. Seventh pick is making sure the pin is a snug fit. The nest pick is showing the fit of the new pin with the bolt in it. The last pick which I will in include with this note is the new turned pin, the springs new torked position and spacers. I tried four different ways to get it up and it wasn't happening. Helper springs, gas charged lift shock, and 4 days of alignment. I knew what had to been done and I should have just done it the first time around. Bending the spring to give it extra lift and cleaning out all of the oil and dirt from the last 24 years was the trick. Both latches have to be aliened exactly or it won’t lift because of the drag. I'm more than willing to meet other Ferrari owners and hear tall tails. I also willing to rebuild these latches for other people if there interested. The spring load on the release latch was tripled. The only thing that lifts that steel hood is the two springs that I retorked. I tried every thing else with no luck.
     
  16. Michael J

    Michael J Rookie

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    The pick of the parts in the hand are with the spring retorked.
     

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