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Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari' started by 134282, Nov 20, 2004.

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  1. Sfumato

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  2. 134282

    134282 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    LOL, i'm completely lost...
     
  3. Sfumato

    Sfumato F1 World Champ

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    Enzo Owners Manual, pages 4.28-4.29:
    Mannesmann-Sachs makes it.
    Paraphrasing:ECU controls valves in damper, adjusts force...pressurized and tele-hydraulic. ECU looks at brake pressure, speed, vertical and lateral acceleration.
    Waaay more info on request.
     
  4. 134282

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    i still don't understand a word of it...
     
  5. Etcetera

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    Regardless of what type of fluid is being used, and regardless of the type of internal valve actuation, there would still need to be gas present to keep the fluid from cavitating.

    And that gas is kept in an external reservoir which is in turn connected to the shock via (sometimes) braided line.
     
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    AHHHHHHHHHH...! Make it stop...! Please...! It's amazing that i can actually read and comprehend the words but not understand anything about them when put together like that...
     
  7. Sfumato

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    Guess I need a reference, as no way is there enough volume in the "shock absorber compensation tank" for nitrogen to charge the shock, or prevent it from leaking since it is located immediately above the muffler can, thus remaining well above 700degrees? while car is running.
    The line is braided, as are brake lines often, doesn't mean it'll handle pressure.
    Gas is present, but as I said, it is fixed amount...anyone ever changed the gas in their shocks?
    Enlighten me.
     
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    i get the feeling that pretty much doing anything beyond driving an NNO would void the warranty... Gerald's right; at least with the old cars, you could tinker with them; you could work on them... You didn't need to be factory-certified and have some kind of Jetson's computer thinga-mobob to hook into a car's "mainframe" or whatever... :rolleyes:
     
  9. Etcetera

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    I didn't say it charges the shock, or to keep it from leaking. It's just there to apply pressure to the fluid so it doesn't cavitate (foam).

    And I haven't changed the gas in the shocks on my snow machine or dirt bike (both have remote tanks), but I've had to replace the gas due to leakage.
     
  10. Etcetera

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    Er, I might be wrong...logically they would contain OIL and gas, which would be seperated by a piston with the gas placing pressure on the oil via the piston.

    I'm going to have to take one of mine apart to look.
     
  11. Sfumato

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    Unless they're adaptive, they ain't the same. I've had Fox shocks on stuff, similar concept, but I used it for illustrative purposes. These are 3-4 generations beyond those.
     
  12. ferrarifixer

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    Most of my experience is with Koni for road cars, and Ohlins are the best on track...

    http://www.ohlins.com/car_manuals.shtml

    Many different brands are available. I lost faith with Mannesmann/Sachs with the dreadful shocks they put on 360C as standard fitment......Not only useless for the given spring rates, totally non adjustable!!

    With Ohlins, they don't do anything others dont do. But they keep doing it for longer and are very easy and quick to adjust in pit lane!! The gas does not leak out...even after 2 years without service, wheras a Penske for example leaks Gas every week to the point of needing topping up.
     
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    WOW! Carbon is famous! ;)
     
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    LOL...!
     
  15. enzo100

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    Notice that the pics are only black NNOs lol
     
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    LOL, that's the first thing Lucas said... :)
     
  17. Greg G

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    I appreciate the detailed information about these damping canisters, however, my question was simply why do some Enzos have heat shielding around them, while others do not. So far, it appears to be a mid-run addition. I can guess that the heat from the exhaust was affecting their operation. Can anyone here confirm? Im also curious to know as to when the change was made.
     
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    Greg, do you know of whose cars those pictures depict...?

    Here's a picture of 136739 with NO heat shields... Now i'm just as curious as you are...
     
  19. Greg G

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    unfortunately not Carb - I scrounged those two pix up awhile ago - I believe the one bottom (with shields) was taken from one of the numerous bogus Ebay auctions.
     
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    No sweat - doesn't hurt to ask... :)
     
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