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  1. mwhite

    mwhite Karting

    Nov 10, 2003
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    Birmingham, AL
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    Matthew White
    #1 mwhite, Dec 11, 2004
    thanks guys for the high reving info. I think it was the mat. does anyone know of a mensa chapter that I could join? Idiot. Now I have another problem. I was going to stretch my 308's legs and I stopped to get something for the girlfriend. I went into the store and came out about 5 min later. She wouldn't start. It will start with one grrr then I can here the strarter but it never turns over to start. I sat in that parking lot for a while and still couldn't get it to start. After waiting a couple of minutes it would give me the intial grr but it wouldn't catch. She's still there now. any suggestions? I sure as hell don't want to leave it in that parking lot all night.

    thanks,

    matt white
     
  2. RF128706

    RF128706 Formula Junior

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    #2 RF128706, Dec 11, 2004
  3. mwhite

    mwhite Karting

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    #3 mwhite, Dec 12, 2004
    help. my 308 won't start at all now. I will tap the pinion in about an hour. any other suggestions?

    obvious desire, no ability

    matt
     
  4. jimangle

    jimangle F1 Rookie

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    #4 jimangle, Dec 14, 2004
    Can you try to push start it? Does anyone know is push starting a ferrari is Ill-advised?
    Do you think your battery is dead? Wire brush the terminals, give the battery a quick charge and see if it starts.
     
  5. Morrie

    Morrie Karting

    Nov 4, 2003
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    #5 Morrie, Dec 14, 2004
    If the starter isn't engaging, it sounds like a solenoid to me. I'm not sure if the solenoid is self contained in the starter.
     
  6. Ken

    Ken F1 World Champ

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    #6 Ken, Dec 14, 2004
    So it turned over but wouldn't start?

    You need to troubleshoot. First is the battery. Between the coil and starter, a weak one won't get it done. Then the electrical. Dumb question, but are the distributors tight? Mine popped loose once on my Lotus and it took me an hour to realize it wouldn't start because of timing!

    Do you get spark? If you have battery, timing and spark then you're not getting fuel. Fuel pump? You're not out of gas I take it. Is it flooded from your attempts? I would think so; try gas all the way to the floor when you turn the key. Don't pump it!

    Starting problems are usually simple to diagnose if not cheap to fix. A car must run with fuel, spark and timing if the starter can turn over the engine.
     
  7. pma1010

    pma1010 F1 Rookie

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    #7 pma1010, Dec 14, 2004
    Flat battery.
     
  8. M.James

    M.James F1 Rookie

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    #8 M.James, Dec 14, 2004
    I'd say -dead battery, as a result of a failed alternator. The car ran on pure battery to the store, but was too drained of juice to restart the car. Put a fresh battery in - start car, and check voltage across the battery with the car running (and the alternator, hopefully, doing something). If the voltage is higher than 12V, the alternator is working. If, while the car is still running, you read 12V or LESS, the alternator is NOT working and needs a rebuild.
     
  9. mwhite

    mwhite Karting

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    #9 mwhite, Dec 14, 2004
    well, let me tell you what i found. The battery seemed fine and the engine was turning over with the same vigor as before. It had a new battery put in a month ago according to ferrari of atlanta. i then started checking plugs. when i got to the ones next to the firewall, i had no fire to any of them. I think these were replaced one month ago also. I checked and that rotor was turning. Any suggestions from that point. I now have to consult someone with more knowledge. help
     
  10. Darolls

    Darolls F1 Veteran
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    #10 Darolls, Dec 14, 2004
    Check coil/coil wire, rotor, digiplex and connections at digiplex.

    I'd check the coil wire first. It's possible it's gone bad or isn't connected.
     
  11. Serpent Driver

    Serpent Driver Formula Junior

    Jul 4, 2004
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    #11 Serpent Driver, Dec 15, 2004
    Try changing your sparkplug wires. Exactly this happened to my brothers opel. and it was the plugwires.. It had exactly the same symptomes. Give it a try m8! :)
     
  12. Matt Morgan, "Kermit"

    Matt Morgan, "Kermit" Formula Junior

    Nov 12, 2003
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    Ferndale, WA
    #12 Matt Morgan, "Kermit", Dec 15, 2004
    Morrie hit on what one of my first ideas would be, right behind battery connections. The solenoid as it wears out, creates more and more resisance in the contacts, due to the surface getting slowly more pitted from arcing as they are used. Resistance creates heat,which creates resistance. A real "Circle". I found the earlier 308's and Mondy's had a Bosch starter,so a trip thru the parts catalog (Not looking in the gold edged section titled Ferarri), I found a replacement. The solenoid from a early to mid '70's VW Bus would drop right into place. The only difference is a third connection that they used for points type ignition, (ballast resistor bypass) which you just ignore. The VW secton doesn't have gold leaf on the pages, so it only cost me around $20.00 for one.
    HTH,
    Kermit
     

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