With the release of the new F430 and down the line a possible "stradale" version does it seem likely that the F40 will come down in price?? Albeit both cars are different.............but now Ferrari has a car that meets and exceeds the F40 for a price less than an F40 for 2005 technology........ This car......(F430) is now on the tail of the Enzo...........so to speak.......and not until now it seems also to outperfom the F40 and F50 to the same degree. The point is , will the F40 come down in price with the level of perfomance to be had in the F430 ? Even with the regard to the # of F40 produced.........which was not in limited #'s...........I believe the prices will be coming down with the release of Ferraris new F430. Any other thoughts ? B.
There are lots of cars that go faster, accelerate, turn & brake harder than a 250 GTO, but extremely few are more expensive. F40 prices are safe from the F430. These 2 cars will never compete directly in the market. The F40 is for someone who wants a classic, the F430 is for someone who wants the newest. 2 totally different markets
Didnt they build like about 900 some F-40's? Hard to compare that to a 250 GTO, of which they built just over 30 some. But also, isnt the F-40 also being campained successfully? Cant see it coming down if its still competitive. If it isnt, then I could see it dropping to where the 288 GTO is now
I don't think spped is the issue here. F40 is not as rare as F50 let alone 250GTO but just over a thousand made. It is a piece of art now and considered in the bracket of 'supercar' so I think 430, although how beautiful and fast, can not be compared to F40. Different league I would say. Hence, their prices will not be affected by the launch of 430 IMO.
As William H said, the speed the car goes is not the issue. However if it were the F40 (Euro version goes faster than the F430 anyway) in a straight line. The F40 would be the "most ferrari" you get for your dollar versus all the attributes. An all time classic.
Not only the price of the F40 will not come down, it will go up even. The price of the 430 is directly related with the price of the 360, never the super Ferrari range. I don't think those that appreciate the F40 and ready to buy will change his mine for the 430. It is total in different class and certainly different group of people. Performance may be a bid close to each other. But the F40 is a classic and art form of it will play the important role, not techno. Would you care to ask how fast the 250GTO? You would buy it any chance you got even it's in a worse condition....
The 430 is a normal volume production car. You can't compare the 430 to the F40 which is a limited production ala F50 and Enzo, even though the F40 exceeded its production quota by a wide margin! The price has remained firm and even gone higher because it's one of the best Ferrari ever.
I can't see anyone choosing between a F40 and a F430. The F430 is the closest to an everyday car Ferrari's ever made and with a few exceptions, I don't think a lot of F40's see daily use. The F40 is a competion car made street-legal and I don't think thera are many owners that have a F40 as their only car. Are you serious? It's called evolution! Look at the Testarossa which held the title as the fastest car in the world, today it even the entry-level 911 will top it's topspeed... They built a little over 1350 incl. the various competition versions. /Peter
absolutely not! Maybe the F40's price will drop, but certainly not because the F430 is faster. The F40 is the myth, the last great Ferrari built under Enzo, the most raw and brutal of the top-of-the-line Ferraris ... absolutely nothing to do with what the 430 can provide.
I agree with those who feel the F430 will have no negative impact on F40 prices. But what amazes me is the level of affordability the 288GTO is at these days. It has tons of performance but looks so much better. The F40 is too aggressive for me. I like it and it was one of my favorite cars for a long time, but they are getting a little "long in the tooth" in comparison to a 288GTO. I couldn't picture someone saying an F40 has classic styling - 30 years from now, but the 288 had all the visual appeal then, it has it now, and it will in the future.
I don't think F40 prices will do anything either direction, a different type of buyer and driver wants a F40 vs a 430, the 430 will be much more streetable in traffic and regular driving vs the f40, you can't equally compare them either the f40 had a lot of hand fabrication vs the 430 is made with alot of automation and robots, 430s will also be commonplace on the road like the 360 is today, chances are if you see a Ferrari on the road today it's a 360 the 430 will be the same.
F430...vs F40?...ummmm..gotta go with the F40 on this one...its way more "Ferrari" then the f430 could ever be. It is one of the last true to form Ferrari's they made. For this reason it will always be worth more then any normal production Ferrari. It is what Ferrari should have never stopped building into their cars...cars for REAL drivers. Not people who can flip a paddel and rely on traction control to get them out of trouble.
Not exactly sure how cars with equal power...yet one has more torque, and weighs about 500 lbs less can be equal in acceleration?
The F40 is a pure driver's supercar. The release of the 430 will not have any affect on the F40 price.
Although a F430, F50, and the Enzo may be faster than an F40, the do not have the racing pedigree that the F40 does.
The F430 will never influence the price of a 288GTO or F40 nor any other real supercar from Ferrari, the F430 is got supercar performance but it is not a significant model or better said it is not a Ferrari that is a "special" Ferrari model. The truth is that the F430 is Ferraris bread and butter car and that it is all it will ever be. The F430 is got better performance than a F512M but in the future the F512M will be worth more both in cash and in Ferrari history, and the F512M is not a "special" as a 288GTO or F40 but it never was a entry level car also it comes from the Testarossa a model when Enzo was still alive and not many were built. The F430 can only hurt the value of the modern normal Ferraris specially like the 550,355,360,575,360Stradale. I would be more interested to buy a F40 over a F430, and like me there are thousands of others. Thinking that it could lower the value of a F40 is like thinking that it could lower the value of an Enzo, it will not happen.
LOL..I understand that comment fully...But..it just seems to me, Ferrari has made their sports cars as easy to drive as a chevy. Anybody can just jump in and "go". But with the older cars there is the intimidation factor that cannot be over looked...Just look at the F40 and tell me that it does not set the butterflies off in your stomach....reach for the gearshift and you have to pull it into first..and place it into second etc. The car is just what a Ferrari should be..a complete mechanical experiance..with all the whurrs and buzzings a performance car should make. Can you honestly say you get the same feeling whan looking at a 360 or F430? When you get into one of these cars that has the F1 shift, what excitment is there in the interior? Does it really make you sweat when you fire up the engine? These car are quiet enough to have a stereo that you can use..have power seats..a/c (well so does the F40..but anyhoo ) a feather light clutch..that some owners complain is too heavy etc.. Where is the fun? Were is the involvement? This is were cars like the F40, TR, 550, heck even the 348 328 308 cars have it over the newer "flavor of the month Ferrari"..they need full driver attention to get the right shift, to brake at just the right time with the correct amount of pressure..select the correct gear for comming out of a corner..etc..All inputs the DRIVER alone is doing..and if he loses it..the car will bite..and hard! But there is no doutbing the fact the technology as improved cars a great amount..and no I'm not a dinosaur living in the past..I just feel that Ferrari has gone "soft" by selling cars grandma would feel comfy driving to the supermarket...Any Ferrari that I own, will be one that by the end of the drive..I will feel like I have accomplishe somthing..and need a shower and plenty of water afterwards..That to me is an exotic sports car experiance.
I believe Ferrari's performace claims, but the car magazine ones have caused some real head scratching.
as an F40 owner I can tell you that the F40 is uncomfortable, it rides like a bulldozer. tight cheap cockpit, abysmal brakes but on the + side its fast as lightning, handles great, & the acceleration around town constantly snaps your neck & it will attract more attention than any F430 ever will The F430 I am sure will be MUCH more comfortable & have a much better ride & interior & it will actually have a radio No doubt the F40 is much more macho & its an extreme visceral experience
Tom, Absolutely right. There is a whole lot missing in the newer cars. I like the way you think. If you'll be in Montreal for the GP, we gotta have a beer together.
The Ferrari F40 is titled by most as the "1st Supercar". It was the poster-boy for all Supercars to follow it. The F40 was the car that most kids would look at and go "Wow, that car is bad ass." Even when the McLaren F1 came out, not EVERYONE knew about it immediately like they did with the F40. The F40 came on like an out-of-the-blue sandstorm and lasted as long as the ones on Mars. It's a totally other planet of driving experience. The F430 is a fantastic car in it's own right. But it's no F40. As for the F1 shifters. With the F430, it's still optional right? So you could get a 6spd manual if you wanted it. No whining there. I whine cause of the Enzo. I don't think it's wild enough to warrant an F1 transmission as "standard" only. It should have the option for 6spd manual. Hell, you're paying 650k for it, why not get a little of what you want? Then again, 90% of customers purchase the F1 shifters anyway. Mostly cause their rich pricks who don't really understand the cars they are getting. They want it to "prance" around and let girlies oogle at it and say "Yes, I have a small penis, but this car makes up for it." Now there are a few who actually drive the things, there's an Enzo around with what.. 30,000km on it's counter and still going? The majority of F40's are driven and driven hard. A good deal of F50's I've seen have been driven and driven hard. Maybe it'll take a few "wanning" years for people to start thrashing around their Enzo's after they get tired of looking at it, sitting there with a sad face saying "DRIVE ME YOU PRICK WHO BOUGHT ME." Because if I was a Ferrari exotic, that's what my engine would be roaring to.
There's really no correlation between performance and price with the F40 vs the F430. F40 prices will remain stable or climb as the supply of nice ones shrinks. The F430 will follow the standard price curve of its predecessors (up initially, then down). Here are some the main reasons the F40 is unique: (1) It was the last car Enzo helped design. (2) It was (one of) the first Supercars. (3) It belongs in a special lineage of commemorative Ferraris. (4) The car is a twin turbo. (5) The styling is raw and purposeful. Luca's directive of eliminating the need for a rear wing for the Enzo neutered the car IMO. The F40 was about in-your-face asthetics; the newer cars are more about managing airflow. Sadly, it looks like the wing is a trademark of the Ferrari supercars of the past.
