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auto start without key in ignition .. possible?

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  1. vijen6

    vijen6 Karting

    Oct 21, 2004
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    Ben
    Hey guys, I am planning to do one of those push putton starters like on the S2000.

    (just to clarify i dont have a ferrari, this is not going to be done to a ferrari so please dont flame just yet .. I am posting on here because this forum seems knowledgable about cars in general.)

    But I am going to try to wire it so you dont need the key in the ignition to start the car. I figure since remote starter kits are able to start the car without key in ignition, I should be able to do the same with a push button start.

    Once the car starts (without key in ignition) is the steering wheel still going to be locked? Anything else that might stop me from just driving off?

    I am pretty sure the drive train works without the key in ignition but not 100% positive.

    (after rereading this thread .. i realized its sounds like i am getting ready to steal some cars .. trust me, its not the case .. i just want something cool that no one has .. or atleast is not widely available)

    any input is appreciated.

    thanks guys.
     
  2. milstanselnino

    milstanselnino Formula Junior

    Jan 8, 2004
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    I am almost positive you will have a locked steering column. If you would be able to put the car in gear or not, I am not sure. If it's a manual trans, probably not.
     
  3. Hennessey

    Hennessey Rookie

    Apr 10, 2004
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    I think that it would be easy to do it if your car has a manual tranny. The steering lock (with no key in) might be a problem unless you had the lock permanently removed if its even possible.
     
  4. Enzo

    Enzo F1 Rookie

    Feb 14, 2002
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    It can be done (that is putting in a press button starter) but doing without the key in the ignition might be the hard trick to do.
     
  5. Schatten

    Schatten F1 World Champ
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    Apr 3, 2001
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    Randy
    What kind of car is this?

    Also, miata.net has a push button start kit that will work with Miatas and a few other cars. You should try asking over there.
     
  6. FarmerDave

    FarmerDave F1 World Champ
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    Jul 26, 2004
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    Even the S2000 has to have the key turned to the on position before the button works, IIRC?
     
  7. Schatten

    Schatten F1 World Champ
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    Apr 3, 2001
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    yes. just like any other key. it goes in, you turn it part way and you get some electronics going, and then the second stage is where you can get power to the start button / soft top / etc. it just doesn't have the third stage where you turn the starter motor.
     
  8. DGS

    DGS Six Time F1 World Champ
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    May 27, 2003
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    On an older car, you could wire around the ignition key -- a switch or relay for ignition, another pushbutton or relay for start. The key would then be a manual steering wheel lock only. Yes, the car would run and drive, but only the way the wheels are pointed.

    Those remote starters are only for automatic transmissions, because those shifters already have additional bypasses on the starter circuit -- the starter won't operate unless the car is in "park".

    For a manual transmission, your car may have a clutch bypass -- the starter won't operate without holding down the clutch pedal. If you want to remote the starter, you'll need to replace the clutch safety switch with a shifter switch to assure the car isn't in gear. (Except most manuals are parked in gear. Auto trannies lock the drivetrain in "park", but manuals have no drivetrain lock at all -- other than the stopped engine via the clutch.) If you really trust your parking brake, you could lock the shifter in neutral with some kind of shift gate lock. But remote starting a manual is something that most companies won't touch.

    On a newer car, you'll have a bigger problem. Newer keys are electronic transponders (like smartcard badges), and the computer needs to detect it nearby to permit the ECU to operate.

    On the other hand, newer cars don't need to be warmed up much. (Not enough to justify buring $2+/gal for ten minutes.) And running the whole engine just to warm the cabin is a bit odd, when you can get electrically heated seats. (A bit of a load for a cold battery, but they warm up quickly enough once you start the car.)

    If you're just trying to avoid having to go out to a cold car, you might try mounting a stand-alone heater from a light aircraft in the trunk ... or park in a garage. ;)

    Heck, in New England, when I had to park outside in winter, the cabin was usually warm by the time I had scraped the ice off the windows. ;)
     
  9. Ike

    Ike F1 Rookie

    Nov 4, 2003
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    All the ones I have seen for the miata require the key to be used too.

    If you wire up everything to be constant then you would probably kill the battery while it is parked. You could put toggle switches for everything that goes through the key lock. You would still have to remove the steering wheel lock too.
     

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