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My new year resolution is to 'heel toe' more

Discussion in 'United Kingdom' started by coolblue, Dec 26, 2004.

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  1. coolblue

    coolblue Karting

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    Sooooooooooo.........If you want to 'heel toe' you have to push all three pedals at the same time when changing down...right? Please help, I keep 'kangarooing' along the road like a complete amateur and I want 2005 to be a year of smooth downshifts.
     
  2. man 430gt

    man 430gt Karting
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    Sounds like a good idea to me, I would personnaly just buy a auto:D
     
  3. andrewg

    andrewg F1 Rookie
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    Easy book yourself in to a driver education day, most tracks do them, you'll be taught heel & toe (left press's the clutch, ball of right foot the brake and throtle done with the other side of the foot or the heel)
    I found it money very well spent, and improved the safety of my high speed driving no end
     
  4. F328GTS

    F328GTS Formula 3

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    Check out this post it may help.

    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30913&highlight=heel+toe

    It's just a matter of practice from then on....
     
  5. Robertb

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    I find it easiest when I'm pressing hard on the brakes- that way you don't need to worry to much about modulating the brake pressure when blipping the throttle.
     
  6. steve f

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    buy a automatic
     
  7. barabus

    barabus F1 Rookie

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    Better get those lessons in quick mate, 8000 miles a year jerking backwards and forwards can't be too much fun :D :D :D :D
     
  8. RAY430RED

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    Thats the only time you really need to do it The whole point is to stand on the brakes at the last minuite blip the throttlle with you heel at the same time left foot on the clutch change gear and the blip keeps the revs UP so when you plant you foot on the floor as you exit the corner the car is reving halfway up the range With the traffic on our roads and unless you drive like a looney it very seldem needed Great on the track though .

    RAY360M
     
  9. 360CS

    360CS F1 Rookie

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    Just get F1 GEARBOX ...EASY!!!
     
  10. coolblue

    coolblue Karting

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    360cs, F1 gearboxes are for girls, ray360m you have managed to make it sound even harder than it is!!
    I am practising in my wifes A class (I know - before you say it) until I get it back from the wrench ( new rear bumper) and I still feel crap at it. Tell you what though, even though you are crap at it, you do 'feel' like a racing driver when you make an attempt.
     
  11. steve f

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    Now thats not nice getting on at joe there is 2 things that make ferrarrl a girls car Fi gearbox and only 8 cylinders so you are half a girl yourself
     
  12. Lee_Proctor

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    Your new years resolution should be to find a new joke - the 12 cylinder / 8 cylinder thing is well past its sell by date. I think TonyH should make it his new years resolution to ban Steve F if he uses it again :D:D
     
  13. steve f

    steve f F1 World Champ

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    what about 4 cylinder look alikes with stripes kit car owners should be banned from posting
     
  14. Lee_Proctor

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    4 cylinder look-a-like? It IS a 4 cylinder (unless you get confused at the lower end of the spectrum). Saying that, you did say the V6 is the best looking etc etc

    The car isnt a Kit Car, its a renault megane with no body kit on :p

    and the stripe isnt a look a like either. Its a unique addition to the megane. The stripes are Blue white and Red, and not green, white and red like on Joes.

    :p

    WHOOPAH
     
  15. steve f

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    with a fat bald 20 year old in a large ferrari race suit driving it stalking the fchat girls
     
  16. Lee_Proctor

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    Yet the women of F chat all talk to me behind the scenes. They see potential Mr Fitzsimmons - I may be 20 and the hairline receding - but I'm in my sexual prime. You...I think you've gone mouldy!
     
  17. steve f

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    is that why you was looking at me and 308man in the motorway service toilets
     
  18. Lee_Proctor

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    The thing is - I was out admiring the cars in the carpark whilst F308MAN, SteveF and SteveP went to the loo together.
    In a line up, who would look most dodgy? The "unusal suspects" would be a good title
     
  19. coolblue

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  20. Maverix

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    Right lad, dont get yourself wound up about it, it isnt too hard.

    HnT should be done in connection with dbl de clutching. With modern syncho though, you dont really need to ddc, unless you have a large torque motor, in which case dropping it from 4th down to second if the wet might well send you into the hedge if you forget about the revs.

    Anyway, HnT technique. You dont need to use your heel, you can just use both edges of the ball of your right foot, left edge resting on the brake, right edge on the loud pedal. Brake with the left edge of your right foot, pop the clutch with your left foot whilst braking, gear into neutral, let the clutch out again. Roll your right foot to use the right edge of the foot to blip the throttle and pop the clutch, putting the box into whatever gear you want, let the clutch back out. Now you should be set to do one of two things, come back off the brakes and back onto positive pressure on the throttle, or continue braking and repeat the process to change down another gear, going down through the box till you have your gear.

    You can miss out the ddc and just blip the throttle whilst keeping the clutch pressed in, change gear and let the clutch back out all in one go.

    HnT and ddc combined always sounds the best, ensures the smoothest driving whether track or road and is more sympathetic on the car's mechanics. I always do every down shift as HnT and ddc and I never really stand on the brakes either.
     
  21. ZYMOL348

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    Yes thats very clear David i dont think What ferrari do you do this in Whats the point if you are not heavy braking ? ZYMOL348
     
  22. Maverix

    Maverix Karting

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    How is that not clear? Which bit do you find difficult?
    More to the point what has the model of Fezza got to do with it?
    Ive driven this way in Pug 205s, 206s, Novas, Corsas, Fiestas, Mx's, MG's, Boxsters, 911 Carreras, 911turbos, Chimps, Cerbies, Griffs, Alfas, 3x8s, and even a Renault sodding Scenic.

    Whats the point if you arent heavy braking? Well dynamic energy transfer through the vehicle is a lot smoother for a start. Your whole driving is smoother, rytham flows better and your driving will be faster. More to the point it is *driving* and it is just a more pleasurable experience, it increases your interaction with the motor vehicle. You want to marry all this up just under heavy braking without being able to do it automaticaly, smoothly and understanding *what* and *why* about the processes and you will end up in the hedge/wall/armco. In *any* motorcar.
     
  23. ZYMOL348

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    My point is its dificult to explain to some one that cant do it I am not going to list my cv but suffice it to say i have been racing FERRARIS for years and very seldom find the need to toe and heel on the road The whole point is to keep the revs up once your out of a corner for faster acelleration ZYMOL348
     
  24. steve f

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    cant be that good then as we have never seen you on the television ray ferguson has been on the tv many times though
     
  25. Maverix

    Maverix Karting

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    Ahh right, I see we are caps locking Ferrari now. So we have 2 issues, one is about Ferrari ownership snobbery and the other is about the *need* to heel n toe on the road.

    Hmm, well, Im from Blackpool and I run a Griff 4.3, which is rarer, faster and looks a hell of a lot better inside and out than a 348. Ive got a 997TT on order for '06 (and yes that was a 997, not 996) and with a bit of luck I should be able to pick up the 512BB this yr that I had originally planned doing last yr before the accident. So that takes care of the snobbery.

    As for the need. Well for a start it depends on the car, tech used and the engine & amount of torque it is putting down. With modern syncho Ill happily agree there just isnt really the need to ddc these days. With less modern syncho or just a plain lousy box, then ddc'ing is a lot more useful. Hands up all those who have suffered from Ferrari 2nd gear when its cold syndrome ? Anybody who's had to play in a pre 80's Fezza I would hazard a guess.
    Heel n toeing though? Well compulsary for fast, safe road work in my book, whether hevy or light braking, the whole slowing down/speeding up process is just quicker. For none fast work, the whole HnT, ddc together process is just a more pleasurable driving experience.
     

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