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  1. isellpower

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    #151 isellpower, Nov 19, 2004
    Good job guys, but I couldn't even imagine putting that kind of power through my little 355. Like aircon says, it seems very fragile. Sounds like ton drives the crap out of it though. Perhaps because my Viper is such a brute is the reason the 355 feels like it's trying to commit suicide.
     
  2. ton

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    #152 ton, Dec 9, 2004
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    here are some shots of my 355 commiting suicide(joke)
    before l change to the new tyres l took it out for some more fun at calder
    low 11,s at 131 were the order 8 passes in total
    hope you enjoy the pics
    the ferrari clutch,gearbox,diff and engine all very "fragile " seem to be commiting suicide or making smoke
    as before traction was a big problem
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  3. ashsimmonds

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    #153 ashsimmonds, Dec 9, 2004
    finally some pics. sweeeeet. i think your car would do well to moonlight as a smoke-machine at a disco. :D

    so... any vids on the way...? :)
     
  4. Aircon

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    #154 Aircon, Dec 9, 2004
    Bloody hell!! I think you'd better put some bags of cement in the front. Incredible.
     
  5. Chevarri

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    #155 Chevarri, Dec 9, 2004
    Bloody hell is right! That take off looks incredible. I'm curious on what the peoples reactions were when they see the tires billow out smoke, and that huge squat in the rear mixing with almost flat 11 sec passes all from a 355!
    What are you launching at ton?

    Forgot to say that I find it incredible that the engine hasn't grenaded on 13lbs with such a high comp. motor. The MoTec must do an incredible job at keep that detonation in check, but that's not to say NizPro didn't do a great job at tuning it as well!

    I can't believe that the clutch is still holding up at those power levels, amazing! Testament to how great the 355 clutch must be to hold those 740 stallions :D
     
  6. ton

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    #156 ton, Dec 9, 2004
    all burnouts are done in second gear
    l have tried launching from 5000 to 7000
    l have tried 20 pounds of tyre psi to 30 psi
    the cars nose is like that in 1st 2nd 3rd and then not as much in 4th and 5th
    the engine has been dynoed to death its not going to detonate
    yes motec and nizpro do a great job but so has ferrari
    this engine loves boost
    the car hooks up well ,all it needs to go 10,s is more grip at the start
    l could easly do it with slicks but it has to be on road tyres
     
  7. ferrarifixer

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    #157 ferrarifixer, Dec 9, 2004
    yeeeeeeeee haaaaaaaaa!!

    Absolutely amazing!

    Leave the suspension alone, you need all the rearwards weight transfer you can get.

    MoTeC can be used to have a kind of pre-emptive traction control too if you've got the right tuner. Might have to go and sniff around the race teams...........

    I hear you're coming in on Monday for some corsas. Hope to see you, but I've got a job off site.
     
  8. cuspub

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    #158 cuspub, Dec 9, 2004
    Figured I would weigh in on what ton has said about his car.

    From Nizpro's point of view, we were bitterly disappointed with the results from the most recent 1/4-mile outing for the simple fact that the car (with its factory original tyres) simply can't cope traction wise.

    To give you an example, whereas the front of the vehicle pushes for the sky on launches, this hides the fact (to a degree) that the tyres smoke off the line with traction problematic in the first 3 gears.

    Proof of this came with the time slips showing that on all 8 passes how the car lost a full half a second in the 0 - 60 foot time. Whereas at the first outing with what proved to be substantially less power, ton's car pulled cleanly out of the hole for consistent 1.7 second 60 foot times. This time around it ran consistent 2.2's. And anyone in drag racing knows how much you can lose at the start line.

    Half a second off the overall time is perhaps a little pessimistic (should the vehicle hook up properly), perhaps it should be more like 6-7 tenths... but we haven't achieve this yet so it's a moot point.

    The other point is that the mph wasn't as good as was anticipated - with wheelspin once again a contributor, but not overly so. We expect around another 3 mph with good traction. Where the other 5 mph is we don't know, but we are working on it.

    Chevarri. Nizpro's head honcho Simon Gishus has changed his opinion about Ferrari since working on ton's car, claiming that he, like others here, was of the opinion that the high compression engine and factory transaxle would suffer with boost. To the contrary, the trans and engine appear to be loving the extra attention.

    As aside: While returning home from the drag strip and travelling beside ton's car in a proven low 12 second 1/4 mile vehicle, we had several short full throttle bursts against each other, and I have to tell you, the Ferrari left us behind just like a Hayabusa blows away most normal cars. The throttle response is simply amazing, and that exhaust; it may as well be a 'Busa with sports cans, it sounds awesome and spins so fact ton is always struggling to find the next gear in time.

    On a parting note, we have a vid and will hopefully get it loaded at some stage in the future.

    Oh, by the way, we have almost finalised distribution rights with an American company, so hold on to your hats fellas, cause there may be some very fast Ferrari's on the streets of the land of the red, white and blue real soon!
     
  9. Aircon

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    #159 Aircon, Dec 9, 2004

    So, cuspub, who are you and what is your involvement in all this?
     
  10. cuspub

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    #160 cuspub, Dec 9, 2004

    Nizpro Sales and Marketing (Greg Brindley).

    cheers.
     
  11. ashsimmonds

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    #161 ashsimmonds, Dec 10, 2004
    where can we get such info from? my car's only a fiat (too? :D ) but it's around 10.5-11:1 static CR. the idea that you can boost a configuration like this has always been a no-no to me and frankly, anyone i know.

    i guess what i want to know... is there more jizz than jazz going on here?

    twiddling thumbs... drumming fingers... still waiting patiently...
     
  12. cuspub

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    #162 cuspub, Dec 10, 2004
    Excuse my lack of comprehension and poor grasp of the English language, however what exactly is jizz? Jazz on the other hand is something I listen to via a CD player.

    Is there a simple question you would like to ask? Remember, I need to be spoon fed, so make it easy.

    cuspub

     
  13. ashsimmonds

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    #163 ashsimmonds, Dec 10, 2004
    :D

    don't worry, i have no idea where i pulled that little gem from either... i shouldn't have access to any form of communication technology at 5am after 12 hours of solid drinking. :) i also kind of recall waking a friend to tell them how shyte my mcdonalds "bacon" burger was... :D

    anyhoo, (way) down the track i'll be looking to put together a turbo/sc'd motor, and this high CR boosted application puts an interesting spin on things as i've usually accepted that you have to sacrifice a lot of CR for anything more than a couple lbs of boost, whereas for all intents and purposes, this appears to be pretty much a bolt-on.

    granted the 355's internals are in something of a different realm to an average engine, but it's interesting to see just how much boost and CR can be withstood without driving a grenade on wheels. excuse me i'm still talking outta my arse, don't know whether i'm hungover or still drunk. :) i'm going to install a breathalyzer on my computer...
     
  14. riconijhof

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    #164 riconijhof, Dec 11, 2004
    I'm waiting too, imagine.....

    Thats one very interesting project going on! Really interested to hear what the sound is like and how it moves...
     
  15. ferrarifixer

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    #165 ferrarifixer, Dec 14, 2004
    Well I met Tony today as he came in for his corsas in search of that 10sec quarter....

    He took me for a brief fang around Richmond, which is a crap place to have a fang, and it is a weapon.

    The acceleration is simply stunning. It WILL blow away just about anything. Full stop.

    The instalation is nice too. It's quite obviously the prototype, but even so, it is a neat job with minimum disruption to any thing at all. It quite literally just bolts on, even the exhaust etc has used std fittings.

    If you bought the kit and didn't like it (fat chance), you could just remove it again and get rid of it.

    My guess is about 2-3 days of semi skilled labour to install.

    Thanks Tony, it was flippin' awesome.

    Hope your corsas give you that 10s 1/4.......

    The noise is very subtle, and for the most part sounds like a normal 355.
     
  16. stephens

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    #166 stephens, Dec 14, 2004
    I'd be interested in seeing a compression test now and a comparison after 10K or serious driving, along with a drive train strip and inspection.
     
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    #167 ferrarifixer, Dec 14, 2004
    Me too. But it has to be said, the car sounds and behaves VERY nicely at the moment.

    Tony has taken loads of people (30?) on demo runs and done at least 20 odd passes at the drags.

    I'm flabberghasted at the fact NOTHING has gone wrong with the car yet.

    It idles smoothly, it doesn't smoke or rattle, it starts with a flick of the key. It IS very happy so far.......

    And boy, DOES IT GO !!!

    I once built an unknown BHP Porsche engine and put it in a 1100kg car. I inadvertantly installed the adjustable boost control incorrectly and it ran un wasted at who knows what power initially. This feels like that Porsche, which had "over 500bhp at the wheels" (Dyno peaked at 500bhp max).

    Damn thing nearly does back flips......

    If I were to estimate lap times. Assuming corsas and very crudely....

    PI 1.40 or under?
    Calder 60?
    Winton 1.25?
    Sandown 1.15?

    It is THAT fast.
     
  18. FIAutoSports

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    #169 ton, Jan 4, 2005
    there is a short movie at the nizpro site of the car at the drags . it gives you some idea as to the note the car is making now. the burnout are done in second .on the second pass you can see the wheelspin the car gets in first and the car steps out a little with the wheelspin in second and sill gets a 1/4 mile pass of 11.2 at 128mph.
    l have now got the correct street tyres on the car and the first impression of the corsa's is that if the tyres are cold you get the same wheelspin but after they have some heat in them wheel spin in second and third are gone and that has now turned into more thrust forward and the front leaping up more.over the xmas holidays nizpro have replaced one solid turbo to intercooler rubber pipe to a flex rubber pipe like the one on top of the engine.
    the engine and frame is flexing at the drags and marking the solid rubber pipe so a flex one has been put in its place and fixed the problem .
    score so far tt355 five bikes zero
     
  20. Aircon

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    #170 Aircon, Jan 4, 2005
    Have you got any oil leaks? How many km has your car done in total?
     
  21. ton

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    #171 ton, Jan 4, 2005
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    23400km
    it had a major at 15000 a few years ago and it had 2 leaks
     
  22. stephens

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    #172 stephens, Feb 1, 2005
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    Provide an no BS/excuses warranty on motor and drivetrain, charge a little more to cover it and I'm interested.
     
  23. FIAutoSports

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    #173 FIAutoSports, Feb 23, 2005
    Ton,
    How is your car holding up now?
     
  24. ton

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    #174 ton, Feb 25, 2005
    steve nelly writer from motor ,wheels and other mags took the car for a drive for the reason of doing two articles on the car, the fastest car he has been in and driven including v8 supercars, panos and oher supercars .he did say it does not stop and handle like a v8 supercar but it goes a fu--en lot harder. motor mag have organized john bowe (super car and prancing horse 360 micolotto driver ) to take th car and get his feedback.we had a date set but it rained and bowe said when it is dry would he take a 740hp ferrari out.
    the only problem l have had is alternator problems. 2 non genuines have lasted 4hrs and now a ferrari one wih an extra earth lead has been no problem.
    et wise the fastest time so far is a 10.91 at 135mph on corsa tyres
    the mph on our moroso sliding scale says that with 135mph which we have ,1480kg we are with no slip and a slick supose to do a 9.9 secnds . no slicks and wheel spin so far 10.91 at 135 is it. to much to change to get it quicker.
     
  25. nwocorp

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    #175 nwocorp, Feb 26, 2005
    What fuel are you running ??
     
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