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F355 Slow Down 5-8 Blinking Light and Rattling

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  1. Higgins23

    Higgins23 Karting

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    I drove the F355 today for the first time in a couple of weeks. Last item I drove it everything was fine. Today upon start up there was a rattling noise coming from right front end of the engine bay (it went away after about 1500 rpm) Later, after driving for about 10 minutes the Slow Down 5-8 light started blinking, this went on for 15 mintues before suddenly stopping. Any ideas as to the cause ?
     
  2. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Do you have the manual?

    That is the indicator of an over heating catalytic convertor.

    Could be a number of reasons.............
     
  3. Higgins23

    Higgins23 Karting

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    Yes I do have the manual which indicates it is an overheading Cat. What I found confusing was why the warning light went out again after about 10 minutes ?
     
  4. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Well, I'd guess that a temporary rich start up condition dumped too much fuel, which then after time burned and cooled to within allowable temps......

    I have heard of sensor failure causing problems in this manner but I'd not assume that...did it happen more than once?

    Where's your Boxer?

    I'm a carb'd 308GTB x 2 owner, what do I know??
    I avoid catalytic converters if AT ALL possible.....LOL!

    The rattling????? Anyone else??
     
  5. BigTex

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    It does just say "Slow down" after all.!!!......but I think you're supposed to follow up with investigation, as you are doing........
     
  6. Higgins23

    Higgins23 Karting

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    The Boxer is currently off having the Cambelts changed. Should have it back soon.
     
  7. tonyyoshi

    tonyyoshi Formula Junior

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    How old is your car? Have the cats ever been changed? Sounds to me like your cats have given up. The rattling could be pieces of it breaking off. The cat sensor could also now be broken too.

    I was on the way to the garage to have my cats replaced (making a right old clanking sound) and got stuck in traffic. The slow down light came on. Went out again once I got moving.

    Have your mechanic check the cats but be prepared for the worse. If you do have to change them, don't bother ith the OEM stock ceramic cats, go for the Hyper-flow ones. Cheaper and better built, plus for flow rate.
     
  8. Higgins23

    Higgins23 Karting

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    The car is a 95 but the Cats are new as of mid 2003. Don't think they should have given up the ghost yet. I will check to make sure it is not a loose clamp.
     
  9. Higgins23

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    Quick update on the problem, the rattling has gone away and I rebooted the engine management system by cutting the battery and then reconnecting and letting it sit for 10 minutes with the engine running to reacquire the parameters. The engine is running much more smoothly but after driving the car for 10 minutes when I hit 6000 rpm the Slow Down 5-8 warning light started blinking again. It then stopped when I dropped the rpm's to 3000 but started again when I went over 5000 rpm later. Any suggestions ? Is this a sensor fault ?
     
  10. 4i2fly

    4i2fly Formula 3

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    Usually when the cats are going bad they separate from the knitting that holds in place in the exhaust chamber. The ratteling is an indication that the cat substrate has come loose and will eventually break into pieces. I would not drive the car in this condition and have it check by a technician. Probably the only way they can tell if it is the cat they have to open it up and test it. Good luck!

    Edit: Just read your last post. I am 100% sure it is the cats due to loss of power after 6000 RPM. The substrate has come loose and probably rotated inside the chamber and has partially clogged the exhaust passage. DO NOT DRIVE THE CAR...you will damage the engine from excess back pressure and excessive heat built up in your manifold.

    Whoever replaced the cats did not do a thorough root cause analysis and unfortuantely, the root cause(s) whatever they are...caused the new set of cats to go bad again.
     
  11. GTO84

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    Take it to a mechanic with an sd2 before you burn all your exhaust valves.
     
  12. f355spider

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  13. mondial86

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    In the first post higgins says that the rattling noise is in the right front of the engine compartment the cats are on the right and left of the BACK of the engine compartment.In my opinion it is ether the sensor that reads the cat temps or the cats are doing there jobs and there is something causing a rich run which is supplying the cats with lots of un burnt fuel, the cats heat up ,as the fuel is burning off,then the sensor dose it's job and the lite comes on.
    4i2fly he did not say that there is loss of power at 6 grand he said the slow lite comes on ,so it leads me to feel that lots of unburnt fuel is coming into the cats as the rpm get up there .I think that it is not a cat problem but as I said a sensor problem or something is causing a rich running condition ,the rattle could be another problem altogether
    my 02 DAVID
     
  14. 4i2fly

    4i2fly Formula 3

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    I must be dyslectic, you are right about the loss of power. I don't know why I read it as such...
     
  15. Higgins23

    Higgins23 Karting

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    Thanks for all the advice. Do you think it is worth rebooting the Bosch engine management system again ?
     
  16. mondial86

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    You could try it ,,but if you are not going through lots of oil and if your fuel mileage is as it has been in the past than I would be inclined to think it is a sensor that is a bit sensitive.We can guess all day long at this but you need to get it to a good Ferrari guy for proper testing.I see you are in Europe how is your winter this year we are having a blizzard hear in cape cod ,20 to 30 inches of snow predicted and winds 60 to70 MPH,the 355 will stay in the garage for some time to come ,good luck with your Slow down lites
    DAVID
     
  17. Higgins23

    Higgins23 Karting

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    Much appreciate all the advice. I ran the car briefly again this morning. It was fine for the first 15 minutes as a kept the revs under 4000. Then I decided to push it a little and went over 5000 rpm briefly and the Slow Down 5-8 light immeditely came back on and started blinking. Looks like it will have to be off to the service center on Monday.
     
  18. tonyyoshi

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    Is the rattling still there? Is there any grey powder/dust in the exhaust tips?
     
  19. Higgins23

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    The rattling is mostly gone. It only seems to be there when the car is cold. There is no grey powder or dust in the exhaust tips.
     
  20. tonyyoshi

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    then it does not look like it's the cats...
     
  21. Dale

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    Get a emission check done this is a quick and easy way to see what gases are exiting the tail pipes,then take it from there,
     
  22. Higgins23

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    Will do. My guess is that it is a faulty sensor. I have heard that this is a not uncommon issue with the F355.
     
  23. Higgins23

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    On a hunch, I checked the fuse box today, the air pump fuse was blown. I have replaced it, rebooted the Bosch engine management system, and hopefully this will solve the problem. Thanks to everyone for the help and tips.
     
  24. f355spider

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    I doubt that this will solve your troubles....one must ask, WHY did the fuse blow? It will probably blow again, until the fault is found...but at least you may be closer to a solution.
     
  25. GTO84

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    The air pump fuse blows because it is not a high enough amperage from the factory. This was a common problem. Replace with a 25 amp up from a 15 amp
     

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