Just had my test pipes put on...OMG!

Welcome to the club in which we "test" our Ferraris!

 

judge4re, thanks for that post. Some people think that because their car is over 25 years old and/or exempt from state emission testing or because their state does not have emission testing at all that they are somehow exempt from the Federal EPA and DOT laws. How wrong they are! And, the worst thing is that with our current neo-con regime of republicians it will only get worse. We ain't seen nothing yet!

 

Hey Frank,

I have a lot of respect for you, as you've been a great contributor to this board; and I consider you a friend as a fellow F-Chatter from whom I've learned and who I've seen online many times.

Don't you think you're going a little overboard with your environmental opinions? I mean, I think your opinions were well heard several months back during a virtually identicall debate! It got pretty nasty. Did you forget about that? I don't even want to search for that one!

Your concerns are admirable, but most people don't share your view; and promotng your view with sticks instead of carrots won't help.

 

Leave it to the catalyst maker to have this one handy!

Seriously, I can't believe people's reactions here. You're getting legal advice for FREE from a lawyer, there isn't even a contingency fee and then all that (seemingly) EVERYONE on here does is slam him and call him names. I don't know how old you folks are that are calling him names, but I recognized that I was not only legally an adult, but had developed mature thinking when I noticed that I evaluated situations in terms of "wouldn't I feel stupid if...?" Well, I'd feel pretty stupid if I'd posted about my illegal activities on the internet for all the world to see and then got busted for it... I can't believe that EVERYONE on here is a teenage know-it-all, but busting on people for typos here and there makes me wonder...

It's amazing, we've gone through this a couple of times on the Technical forum, but now I see how many Ferrari owners (or poseurs, I suppose) are just here to pimp. Eye opening!

 

Rob, as a Christian I believe homosexuality is a sin and thus wrong. However, that is between the sinner and God. The government need not be involved. As a Libertarian it is my position that the government should stay out of our lives as long as our conduct does not affect others. That being said, as a realist I understand that that is not likely to ever happen. Back to the issue, even a Libertarian would agree that removing cats from a road car should be prohibited as it does affect others by putting more pollution in the air we all breath.

 

Don't argue with the administrator!

 

Rob, whether you like it or not, you have to admit that those two quotes are true. Or, do you think it would be an intelligent person who decided to post on a public forum that they were committing a crime? As far as my being slammed, I guess as an attorney I am blessed with "thick skin" and such commits of others do not bother me. Love, Frankie

 

I just added intolerence to your list of bad traits.

 

Frank,

I guess by your definition, I must be a Libertarian too. I'm a big believer that government should stay out of our lives and out of our bedrooms. I'm not a Christian and I'm not gay. But I don't care what other people do with their sexuality, and it's up to them to decide if what they are doing is morally right or wrong.

Unfortunately, as we see with the rise of the Conservative Christian right, there is a major move afoot to legislate morality for us. To get back on topic, contrary to what you say, it seems to me that the current administration is not interested in enforcing environmental laws. EPA's budget if going to get slashed to pay for more bombs that Bush needs to drop on the Middle East. More money will go to fund "faith based" (read: Fundamentalist Christian) social programs. But less will go to EPA and it's street-level enforcement efforts.

I'm against anyone removing or gutting CATS on street cars. If they are being used only for track and off-road events, it's not great, but in the total realm of driving, it's miniscule. But driving a CAT-less car on the streets as a daily driver is just plain wrong. Unfortunately, the chances of anyone getting caught, short of failing emissions testing at inspection time, is miniscule as well.

'nough said. That's my $.02 from the soap box.

Steve

 

What? Frank did not say anything at all that was intolerant. Actually, he said the exact opposite. He said that while HE views homosexuality as wrong he does not believe its anyone elses business except the gay individuals. He specifically said he feels the Govt. should not be involved one way or the other.

How is that intolerant? I would say it is in fact EXACTLY tolerant.

Perhaps you are just so anti-Christian that you rebel in every way possible against anyone who has beliefs relative to right/wrong that are rooted in Christianity?

I do see intolerance here.... but its from you and not Frank.

For what its worth I agree with Frank. Homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of God. But... that is between the gay individual and God. Its none of my business and I really don't care. Why should I? I mean really... Who would care? What purpose is possibly served by giving a crap about such a thing?

Thats not intolerance. Intolerance would be someone pitching a fit and trying to make homosexuality illegal or something. I see NO such efforts on the part of any supposed "religious right" groups.


Another point....

Frank has indeed given free and valuable legal information here. Instead of people appreciating it and taking it to heart, they slam him because of his delivery style.

Well.... get over it. Frank likes to troll. He always has. Some folks like to get a rise from folks over silly/petty stuff on the internet because it can be funny. No big deal really. Arlie does the same stuff all the time. Those who know Frank recognize his trolling and laugh about it. Those who do not...... well, do you need some help getting that hook out of your mouth?



Terry

 

I hope that is not what he is doing. The whole "trolling, hooking and laughing" thing sounds more like something a kid will do afterschool. Does he really have nothing better to do then try to get a rise out of us to amuse himself? I like Frank too and I give him more credit then that. I think he is serious about this.

 

I am not saying he is not serious. The basic point he is serious about. But in his delivery and tone he is trolling.

Controversy is fun. ITs fun to read and fun to watch and some people definitely get a jolly off it. If that were not true, shows like "Crossfire" and "Hannity and Colmes" would not get such good ratings and stay on the air.



Terry

 

You're probably right but kidding or not he is not winning any friends over with his tone. Why alienate people here? He may have a real need for advice here with his Boxer one day and may find nothing but threads telling him to F-off when he asks. You and I see it but others are missing it.

 

By the way, how to you adjust the carburators on a BB512i ?

 

Incorrigable is I believe the appropriate word here.....




Terry

 

Sorry Terry - Hiding behind a religion to call others "wrong" and "sinners" is a joke.

 

Hiding? Who is hiding?

Also, who called anyone wrong? Both Frank and I said it was a matter between the individual and God and not our business. So how is that hiding or calling someone wrong?

A joke? Whats the punchline because I am not getting it?

Your lack of tolerance for those with beliefs different from your own is telling.

Terry

 

I am not at all surprised at parkerfe's condescending tone and lack of social grace. He is among the present day group of lawers who proclaim to be the protectors of the common (less than 12 cyl?) ignorant man. Yet they consider themselves the "fourth branch" of goverenment, achieving regulation through litigation. This "greed" agenda fostered without the transparent safeguards built into our traditional political system. And we wonder why they are so against Tort Reform! Governance without accountability. Faceless activity behind the scenes. Why should he change when posting on F-Chat?. I'm done.
Jim

 

Just read his reply.

 

I think he may have you on that one.

 

Frank went on to say that it was not the Govt.s business. Frank also did not indicate that he supports any sort of negative action against homosexuals because he believes their behavior is wrong.

So.... I admit I was mistaken. Frank said he believes it it wrong. Since I said I agreed with Frank I also believe it is wrong. There are tens of millions of others in this nation who think it is wrong.

So what.

Just because I believe it is wrong does not make me intolerant. Being intolerant would be if I acted in a negative fashion in some manner against an individual or group because of my opinion. I do not, thus I am not intolerant.

 

As far as legal advice, i think it was worth what it cost. A lot of generalities there. The epa pdf supplied by judge says in its first paragraph that it applies to repair professionals and fleet owners. How many of you own a fleet of ferrari's?

To those who use test pipes, there is the issue of scavenging. This is solved on many cars by using an x pipe version of test pipes. I can not imagine how removing a cat would hurt performance on an exotic. I use hi flow metallic cats which gives the best of both worlds, increased performance and clean air.