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Discussion in 'Other Racing' started by Tifoso1, Apr 4, 2005.

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  1. Tifoso1

    Tifoso1 F1 Rookie

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    #26 Tifoso1, Apr 5, 2005
    I certainly hope so, even know that I am a little shaken about the 2005 season as of now, but I still have faith in them and in MS. With 16 more races to go, I feel and hope that they will be able to make a comeback and still win both championships by the end of the year. This is afterall, Formula One racing, anything can happen. But I do have to say tho, the Renaults look awefully stable going through the corners at speed in the past few races.

    However, I still can't figure out why in the world does did it take the team so long to design and build the F2005. I couldn't help it but wonder if the success of the F2004 had really gotten the better of the team, if there ever was a wake-up call, the first 3 races of this season should be classified as a rude awakening.

    PS: I realize that the Bridgestone tyres are not as competitive as the Michellin's so far, but I think it is plain wrong to jump down on their throat just like that. Bridgestone was an important part of the Ferrari team that won the past 6 WCCs and the past 5 WDCs, can't believe how many people here on the forum are ready to dump them already. These are probably the same people that wanted to dump them back in 2003, where were these people back in 2004?? Talk about serious lack of loyalty.
     
  2. jknight

    jknight F1 Veteran

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    #27 jknight, Apr 5, 2005
    Yes, the colors are very appealing, but then so is "Fred" :)

    Carol
     
  3. Insider

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    #28 Insider, Apr 5, 2005
    I think that it was said at the launch that the decision to debut the car late, was so that they could make the most of the new rules - particularly a complete re-think of the gearbox.

    The 656 wasn't scheduled to race untill Barcelona ( still 5 weeks away). I suspect that it was felt that there was little to lose by bringing the car out early, and a lot to gain by not having to split resources between two different cars.
     
  4. Jameel

    Jameel Formula Junior

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    #29 Jameel, Apr 5, 2005
    But they've been working on the 2005 car since mid of last year. I recall Ross Brawn saying, "Because the F2004 was doing so well they've stopped development on it". Which would lead me to believe they would be working on the new car, no?
     
  5. beast

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    #30 beast, Apr 8, 2005
    Most teams are already starting to work on the designs of the 2006 cars at this moment.

    The way i look at it Ferrari is having another F2003-GA year where the tires are a weak link. Take a look at what happened that year it was not pretty but at the end they did manage to claw back the championship.

    I am sure Bridgestone is burning the midnight oil on new tire compounds and Ferrari is hard at work also. they will be back on top in short order. MS run at the start of the last GP proved that the car has the pace to take it to Renault.

    Rob
     
  6. etomcat

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    #31 etomcat, Apr 18, 2005
    But I think the rules will be changed mid-year. Tire changes will be allowed, but there will be X seconds of penalty standstill for every tire you swap. Then every team and driver can make its own decision if it is worth running round and around shredding rubber or better pay some time for safety and grip.

    This will be necessary after drivers get hurt or killed in tire fault related accidents. Few pilots have RB's mindset to stop voluntarily when the car becomes dangerous.

    The idea of running through an entire F1 race without any tire swap is as irresponsible as Dubya and Pope telling people not to use condoms in an AIDS-filled world.
     
  7. tifosi12

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    #32 tifosi12, Apr 18, 2005
    Nonsense. There was a time when the cars had almost twice the hp, no carbon fibre crash protection and no tire changes all race. It was the eighties and people didn't die because of tire malfunctions. They died of other causes.

    When you read interviews with tire manufacturers they tell you exactly the same thing as the engine manufacturers: This year the stuff has simply to last twice as long. That's all. Use harder compounds and you won't end up with a slick like RB. You'll also end up with a slower car, but such is life.
     
  8. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

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    #33 PSk, Apr 18, 2005
    Pete's banging his head against the wall ... again!

    I guess it takes all sorts but for Pete's sake this tyre rule is NOT fncken dangerous! ... as Tifosi12 says :)

    Pete's frustrated ;)
     
  9. etomcat

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    #34 etomcat, Apr 19, 2005
    Except that MS was regularly using 4 (four) sets of tires for winning the race in 2004. That means 8x (eight-fold) increase, not twice the service life.

    The 2004 tires were a magnitude softer than 1980's slick. Fly sticks to them.
     
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