This is test data obtained by AUTO Zeitung, a German car magazine with ties to Porsche: Test track F430: 1:36,9 min. Turbo S: 1:38,5 min. Slalom 18m F430: 68,0 kph Turbo S: 66,1 kph Performance figures 0-100 kph: F430 (3,8 sec.) - Turbo S (4,1 sec.) 0-160 kph: F430 (8,3 sec.) - Turbo S (8,5 sec.) 0-200 kph: F430 (12,2 sec.) - Turbo S (13,1 sec.) Top Speed: F430 (316 kph) - Turbo S (307 kph)
Did they have a direct comparison to a Ford GT, Gallardo or GT2? the Turbo is no longer the real sports car imo, and also so much less expensive....more a super competitor to the maserati?
Based on the performance numbers and the respective hp of both cars, I think it will be fair to assume that the future 997 TT with close to 500hp will closely mirror the 430 numbers.
Not to be especially rude.....but....who cares? The 996, 997 or 998 could do the 1/4 in 10.0 sec flat, reach 60 in 3.4 secs, and avg 22mpg, and it wouldn't make an ounce of difference the second you see it beside a 355, 360 or 430. The only Porsche that has presence like most Ferraris is the Carrera GT. Forza, Cavallini
Ohh, come on...... I wasn't especially rude, just slightly. The CGT is a work of art. If Porsche went to similar design lengths with their other models, Ferrari and Lambo would have an extremely difficult justifying the premiums they charge for admission. Forza, Cavallini
Porsche makes Afforable relitable cheap cars which perform amazingly! And i dont see how the 997 isnt a work of art either? Its beautiful!
I agree with you but it's not worth your time to try to convince others on FERRARIchat ... If they don't appreciate Porsche as a sports car, it could be argued that they aren't a true car enthusiast..
I'll give you handsome and much more confident than the 996, but not beautiful, and definitely not a work of art. The equation is very simple, actually. More exquisite, exotic and beautiful cars command higher prices, even if the less expensive car is equal or superior in performance. It's similar in some ways to women, although it is very rare to find a woman with the qualities, inside and out, of a Ferrari. I, however, have lived a very fortunate life in that respect... But I have yet to purchase my first Ferrari. Forza, Cavallini
I agree. Porsche makes some well engineered cars for the street, but not a single one, IMHO, can hold a candle to a Ferrari, especially the 430.
Ummm.... The 996TT is faster, more reliable, cheaper to maintain, has a superior fit and finish, significantly less expensive to modify, etc, than a 360 Modena. Remember, the 996 was introduced in '99 (?), the same year as the 360. It's unfair to compare the 996 to the 430- I'm sure the 997TT will absolutely give it a run for it's money. There is no justification other then the 'it' factor to spend the extra $30-60k on the Modena. BTW- when you say 'for the streets', are you inferring that Porsche doesn't race? Do you watch racing? Ferrari 360 Modena, 1999 C&D July, 1999 0-60: 4.4 0-100: 10.5 1/4 Mile: 12.9 Porsche 911 Turbo, 2001 AutoWeek December, 2000 0-60: 3.9 0-100: 9.2 (Road and Track) 1/4 Mile: 12.4 1/4 Speed: 113 If you'd like to put them in the same price range, '02 911 GT2: Porsche 996 911 GT2, '02 Obtained from C&D August, 2001 0-60: 3.6 0-100: 8.9 1/4 Mile: 11.9 1/4 Speed: 121
I saw just today a buch of F-Cars (550, 365, 360, 360CS, 430, 250GT0 ...), Jags and Porsche (every single model 996, 997 993) at the dealerships ... and actually, the 996 C4S (don't like the TT scoops) wowed me just as much as the ferrari. The porsche isn't just beautiful, it's elegant. Really classy. The Ferrari is so much "in your face" you have to like it. The Porsche you just like. But I admit the sound of a Porsche is blah. Even with bypass pipes, it doesn't even come close to any F-Car ...
The Turbo S is a great all season super car, but somewhat numb due to the 4WD. The GT2 is an animal! Much more fitting comparison to the 430. The Italian designs are simply unsurpassed, while the Germans rule in terms of engineering. At this level of cars it isn't how fast they are because we can never really take them to the true limit anyway, so it's really all about which one strikes the right chord with you. They are all great!
I spent a week in the new 997 Carrera S and absolutely loved the sound of the exhaust, 10x better then any 996 I've driven- significantly better car to-boot.
I didn't say that did not race, but they're racing history, although quite impressive, is nothing compared to that of Ferrari. And don't get me wrong; I know that Porsches are more reliable and cheaper to maintain, etc, I own one, but I still cannot see comparing one to a Ferrari. The performance specs don't really mean all that much to me, it just seems as if Ferrari is in a league by itself. BTW, did I mention I have a biased oppinion???
yawn... this thread is making me sleepy... oh, that's cos people are talking about a german car on a FerrariChat forum...
I'd get a Ferrari 355 in a second over a standard Porsche- Ferrari's my first passion- but when people make comments about Porsches engineering, performance, or racing heritage..
I have a 360 spider and a 996tt...they are 2 different cars. The porsche imo is much more powerful (chip+exhaust 500ph) and a better car all around even when it was stock; but i would never trade my 360 for a porsche turbo even if the price was the same, i just like the ferrari too much. I hope that makes sense.
I agree. I love the 911 sound. From a 996 even. And you can feel it when you put your foot in it. The only reason to buy anything more expensive than an M3 or a Carrera is because you can and a smidge of ego. I dig going to the beach in my 911. So relaxing. But today I went for a short one in the Stradale. Exciting and requires your attention. If everything went to **** and I could not own F-cars Porsches would be just fine.
The current issue has a comparison test between the F430, Gallardo, and 911 turbo. I don't know if the test figures stated earlier are from this test. I am also interested in the times of the Gallardo. I'd love to see the photos too. http://www.autozeitung.de/index.php?page=aktuelles_heft
they're both amazing cars, the best money can buy in terms of design, engineering, image, racing pedigree, histroy and performance. Its useless to argue over wich one is better although we know the 430 is a monster! so the 430 did well, im not sure it will beat the upcoming 997TT with such ease, unless a crazy 430CS is unleashed.....
