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  1. 4returbo

    4returbo Karting

    Oct 14, 2003
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    Rick Oliver
    Maximum Boost, by Corky Bell
    Chapter 4 – Oil Flow and pressure; “Too much oil pressure can create problems with turbo’s. It is possible to force oil past oil seals that are in perfect condition” (note I’ve been through two new turbo’s under 50 miles with leaking oil from the tail pipe) “if oil pressure exceeds 65 to 70 psi at the turbo.” “Problems of oil pressure over powering the seal are evident in frequent if not quite constant smoking problems. Anytime oil pressure exceeds the 65-70 psi and smoking persist, a restrictor or by pass should be installed prior to any other changes."

    Correct me if I am mistaken for I don’t have it in front of me, but a 1980 308gtsi owner’s manual says something like @ 210F, 6000 rpm oil pressure should be form 70-75 psi. If you have read any of my past posts you know I am using low mounted turbo. I believe now I should use oil by pass with a restrictor to reduce oil volume and pressure at the turbo. Does anyone know where to shop for oil restrictors? I am using -4 oil supply line. Can an oil restrictor be made by partially impeding an Al connecting fitting? Also I don't want to starve my turbo for oil so I wish to confirm oil flow and pressure at the turbo, any ideas how to perform this?
     
  2. Mirror70

    Mirror70 Rookie

    Apr 30, 2005
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    Corky specifies 65-70psi at the turbo. Have you considered the headloss before the turbo? That could be 5psi, which would bring the pressure specified in the manual in to the proper range.

    Also keep in mind that Corky is speaking generally, and it is very possible that a 5psi increase for some turbos is fine.
     
  3. Dave

    Dave F1 Rookie

    Apr 15, 2001
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    "restrictor to reduce oil volume and pressure at the turbo"

    Just remember oil "volume" and "pressure" are to different things.
     
  4. pma1010

    pma1010 F1 Rookie

    Jul 21, 2002
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    Corky is a pal of mine. Give him a call and ask him. He's very approachable. Num is available on his site at bellengineering.net
    Philip
     
  5. mk e

    mk e F1 World Champ

    Oct 31, 2003
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    If I'm not mistaten, they normally put about 1/16" diameter restrictor in.
     
  6. 4returbo

    4returbo Karting

    Oct 14, 2003
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    Yes, that is what the book says too .05-06
     
  7. morcal

    morcal Formula Junior
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    Mar 7, 2003
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    Do not restrict in any way oil passage to the turbo. That is the worst thing you can make to the durability of the turbo because it would increase delay in feeding the turbo at start and specifically at cold conditions.Furthemore a restricted oil feeding line would be more keen to become occluded by carbon deposits ( temperature related ).The oil flow will adjust by itself unrelated to pressure mainly due to the restriction created by the actual clearances between bearings and shaft. You may instead make sure the oil temperature is always not too high and ( very important ) there is no oil starvation after the turbo; oil must always flow from turbo to oil pan without any obstacle or obstruction, otherways it will submerge the bearing housing and overflow/leak both from compressor and turbine side ( smoke in the exhausts ). Furthemore temperature will increase, carbon will occasionally build up till failure of the bearing system. Remember oil after the turbo is emulsioned with air and looks like mayonnaise or mustard, flowing badly in a small or bent pipe.
     

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