People trading Ferrari's For Lambo's?

Cool, more used Ferraris for those of us that can not afford a brand new one.

 

What else is new ?
That's a fact of life, you own Ferrari....you want more from life....you buy Lamborghini.

 

This was an interesting discussion on another list the other day... buddy asked me when I planned to "trade up" my Ferrari for a Lambo. Being more of a Ferrari than a Lambo guy, I laughed and said that while just about any Lambo would be a trade up from my 308, overall a Lambo was not a step up from a Ferrari. (ducks for cover as he realizes he's posting this on a Lambo list...)

He countered that his friends told him that as far as the public is concerned, a Ferrari is a Ferrari and that while the top Ferraris might be equal to or even better than Lambos, they were only "given credit" for being a Ferrari.

On the other hand, Lambos, with no well known "entry level" car in the US, are seen as uber-exclusive and a definite step up from a Ferrari.

I laughed at this... then that very evening I'm gasing up (funny how often I seem to have to do that) and the guy at the next pump is telling me what an awesome car I have. "That's a 12, right?" "No, 'just' a V8". "Well it is a Testarossa, isn't it?" "No, just a 308". The guy looked downtrodden.

So in one conversation, my buddy's point was proven. And if _I_ got credit for a TR while driving a lowly 308, I'm sure the TR guys get "Hey a Magnum car!" even more...

Bill

 

Lamborghini not quite a Ferrari, the bastard of the car world no heritage, race history and with many different owners, involved in receivership many times, but they try at least.

 

There is no question Lambos are exotic cars, but I think too exotic for my taste. I've always had this feeling as I've been in a Diablo before. I even looked very carefully at a Merci the other day at the dealership.............like kissing the wrong girl....nothing...does absolutely nothing for me. That's why personal pref. is great.

 

I always felt Ferrari was the only real sports car to own, then I drove a Gallardo after a 360 and easily found out that I was wrong. I bought the Gallardo after having owned 3 Ferraris, and for now there is no going back. I am on the list for the 430 and hope it is what it should be.

 

Is Michael Jackson a pedophile?

Is the pope an ex-Nazi?

Is Lambo better than Ferrari?

Yawn......

 

You forgot a couple... Is abortion right or wrong? Same sex marriages?

They're both ultimate machines in their own way and offer something for anybody who can afford them. Personally, I love both and will be going back & forth between the two forever.

 

Why not enjoy both? I do. Both brands have their own personalities, styles and tastes. One is like the blonde women, the other is like a brunette women. But, both are sexy and the "best". Both are worth having.

 

You are missing the whole point of those arguments, it's not the subject but the people who debate it and take it pesonaly.
It's the insecurity of some people that draws some of the funniest responses and provides some good laughs that keep me coming back for more.

 

Lambos are two hott and so sexy, The lambo V12 has to be the best one around!

 

First of all some of the statements are made without actual driving impressions. People always have their favorite marque and will blindly support it with no regard of the other one.
For me, I love exotics regardless of where they are made or whose name is on the car. People who comment negatively without a test drive or ownership are only opinions.
The 360 I owned is the best everyday driver of an exotic I've ever driven. People who know me know none of my cars are everyday drivers. I enjoy then when the weather is good.
I didn't give Lamborghini a thought until I visited a Lamborghini dealership and drove their cars. The attitude there is totally different. I was offered a test drive without having to produce a personal financial net worth report.
Another reason I moved over to the dark side is parcially due to this situation: I was on the "List" as soon as I signed the 360 purchase agreement and at the top no less. Wow at the top of the List over 3 years ago. Then the word came out that the Dealership want its "Freinds of Ferrari" (many multiple prior deals) to get the cars and I was not qualified, my interest started to subside with Ferrari.
I fortunately found a dealership whose owners I used to race against who took my deposit for a F-430 and really wanted my business. Further more he will gladly take either of my Lamborgini's as trades. He says both are great cars.
To sum it up, go and drive a Lamborghini and then talk. Drive a Diablo and then compare it to the 360. Drive a Murcielago, then compare it to the Diablo or 360. All different cars but wonderful cars with small faults all. Visit a Lamborghini dealership and compare the attitudes between both and choose where you want to drop money.
I'll take the F-430 when my turn on a real "LIST" but to get rid of the Diablo or Murcielago will not happen at this point. The people over at Nelson Lamborghini (Ohio) are the kinds of people I will continue to do business with and have my cars serviced. Thanks to Fox Valley (Chicago) for the test drives, we just couldn't get together on price. Thanks to Lamborghini Orlando for taking time to give test rides and my first Gallardo experience. 3 out of 3 dealerships who have the kind of attitude I want to do business with.
As I have said before, without competition we would not have the kinds of cars we have to choose between. Drive a Lamborghini, visit a Lamborghini dealership then deside who gets your hard earned money. Most of us had to work hard for it.

 

It is interesting that racing heritage, means so much to you for a street car. I do not think many F-1 components, trickle their way down to the production street cars. I would agree with your opinion, when it comes to the cars from the 50's and 60's. How does this extend, to what is available today ?


As far as different owners ? You are correct. Many of the problems, were due to the world economic situation at the time. It also did not help when the US EPA and DOT regs changed, at the same time of the first energy crisis. Lamborghini was not the only small company, that came upon hard times.

 

The Ferrari design and engineering process philosophy is different from Lamborghini as they may not put all the F1 technology in their GT cars but they utilize all the years of racing experience in designing the car, such as chassis design and power to weight ratio.

A recent track event their were 2 new Murcis and 2 Diablos on the track that were giving it all they had and were lapped by a 190 hp Lotus Elise easily,this was only a several lap event also, they also couldn't hang with the 360s and especially F40s. On paper the Lambos should have easily beat the competition with the higher horsepower output and 4wd but the fact is they were way too heavy and big. This track did have many turns which is typical for many courses such as Laguna Seca and others but it shows they are best at straight line drag bragging rights, kind if a big Italian muscle car concept to them vs Ferrari which is not my preference for a sports car which is why I want real racing experience designed in my cars, all the Lambos, Murci, the later Diablos weigh almost 4000lbs and the Gallardo not too far behind, the 4wd and other stuff needs to go to be a competitive track car as they are 500 to 1000lbs too heavy.


Concerning Lamborginis past at one point in the 70s they made only 20 cars for a year due to bad management and cash problems and low demand,this through the same period of hard economnic times for Ferrari and they still sold many cars.

When F. Lamborghini sold off his interest in the early 70s that was the end of
the true Lamborghini IMO, he was trying to be a serious competitor to Ferrari and the Muira was his closest and best creation though still a little rough around the edges, very similar in concept to Ferraris in its time, raw, light, powerful V12, a clean fresh design with no gimmicks that was actually useable since you could see out of it in the real world and the only Lamborghini that caused Ferrari to make some serious changes in its GT cars, after that they were not the same.

 

I must disagree with all your points.

The end of true Lamborghini was at the early 70s ? are you sure ?

 

FYI, Ferrari is certainly not the only company that has know-how in chassis design and power-to-weight ratio. How about Audi, Porsche, Lotus, etc.?

Let's take a look at some REAL track numbers from Nurburgring. No stories. No "I saw this". Real bonafide documented tests.
Murcielago 7:43 (Autocar 2002), 7:50 (Sport Auto 2002)
360 Modena 8:09
26 seconds difference. And you're telling me that the 360's were whipping the Murci? Yeah, nice try. Straight line dragging. Last I checked, Nurburgring was a benchmark world-class course.

Murci 3640lbs
Gallardo 3180 lbs (yeah, that's REAL heavy)

Here's a tip:

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, OR BUZZ OFF. I LIKE FERRARI. I LIKE LAMBO. TAKE OFF YOUR FIORANO SUNGLASSES AND ENTER THE REALM OF THE REAL WORLD.

 

Thanks man for getting facts straight with him, I was to lazy to negotiate with all the balony in his post.

 

Sounds like you need to get your facts straight and back to reality

http://www.fast-autos.net/lamborghini/lambogallardo.html

Gallardo 3560 lbs

http://www.fast-autos.net/lamborghini/lambodiablo60.html

Diablo 3740 lbs

Like I said overweight cars with 4wd.

Sorry its was no story, and put your magazine tests away I was on the track and saw the Lambos easily beaten by a 190hp Elise, the F40s (2) decimated all of them, the Gallardos did the best of the Lambos FWIW.

Bring up the ring test as typical, its a track with very long straights that benefit high top speed and acceleration, not handling and power to weight as in your typical track such as Laguna.

 

Most factual statment of the year !

...and I was the track and ate a hamburger..

What do you learn on the Murcie from this statment ?

 

And I still say, who cares? What is the visceral experience behind the wheel? What gives joy to your senses, moving and still? The Porsches are world-class on the track, and terrific as overall daily drivers, but they are sterile. So, how does that translate in your experience on a pleasure drive on the backroads and through twisty mountain turns? Would you rather the Porsche to the Ferrari, Blowfield?
The Ferraris are nice cars. I'm not arguing that. I've owned quite a few. But,their 12 cyl. production car is long in the tooth, and if you want to talk corpulent, throw a 550 thru some snakey roads. Its steering is far too assisted, and the body rolls. Now, that may or may not be part of the F1 experience, i don't care, but driving my 6.0 is much closer to driving a Berlinetta Boxer than it is to a modern Ferrari. Having said all of that, i'm sure i'll buy another Ferrari or three, but it won't be because of what happened in Formula racing, or because one car allegedly beat another at some track. (I still think the driver is the most important component there). As to F-40s being wonderful, no doubt about it. Who is arguing otherwise? I'd still rather have a McLaren, but does that mean the F-40 sucks?

One of the interesting things that seems to play out in these L v. F threads is that the L owners largely acknowledge Ferrari and are many, many times, former or current ferrari owners. But, and correct me if wrong, whenever we get into the proverbial L-bashing, it seems to come from someone who may or may not have experience with Ferrari, but usually has never owned a Lambo.
I'd also be curious to know what Blowfield is currently driving, not what he's borrowed, or gotten a ride in. Your turn....

 

Eric, for me its the exact opposite. I guess thats why there are 2 companies. Different strokes for diff folks. Aside from a 512tr/f50/f40, to me the Ferrari is like marrying the right girl (to use your analogy) and the diablo/murcie is like sleeping with the porn star.

For me porn star rip your hair out, leave marks all over, wet raunchy sex>wife sex anyday.


*no offense meant, just my personal view*

 

Bill, how dare you bring logic into this discussion!! Let blowfield say what he wants. He is here to rile the troops up. Some people will take offense and create a thread that is nothing but bashing.

The rest of us who know how it goes, know that both companies make different cars. Competition is a good thing, and there is something for everybody.

Logic and internet doesn't always mix.

Looking forward to seeing you and the 6.0 in NYC in July with my playa-pimp-sidekick-wingman Ralph the PIMP from Houston

 

All you have to do to end this debate, is ask the 6 or 7 F car guys on this site who went over to "The Dark Side". They won't go back. None of them. I am still searching for the 1 person that went from L car to F car. Bueller, Bueller???? No, not here.

 

Comparing lap times one car vs another, without the same driver is pointless. Ive seen Miatas lap 360s in the wrong hands.