Monaco GP comments *WARNING SPOILER*

His wing was caught underneath the car. He was nt able to move without damaging the car further. It was his right to stop if he feared that he would cause further damage.

The Minardis should be given a season long suspension because of todays stupidity!

 

As much the farrari fan that I am , I feel I must be watching a different series to you as I can't see ferrari winning 1 race this year. Mclaren , Renault are just too strong and while ferrari are playing catch up , it takes away the fear that they used to place on other manufactures. I hope I am completely wrong at Nurburg.
rock on

 

Montoya was just messing with Ralphie, he just wanted Ralph to check out his new slender butt (if the rumors about Ralph and his forbiden love are to believed) and paying him back for Ralph's stunts against Monty last year.

This article I found funny ,seems like the Big Chin didn't make any friends today as he begins to panic...

"While the television cameras focused on the battle between Juan Pablo Montoya and the flailing Renault of Fernando Alonso, there was controversy happening close behind as Ferrari champion Michael Schumacher overtook how teammate for seventh place and then proceeded to make a move on his younger brother Ralf, who had his Toyota positioned in sixth place after starting from the back of the grid.

After the race, both men had a few words to say to the reigning world champion and were in agreement in their assessment that his moves were ‘crazy’.

"Michael's crazy! He should have switched on his brain before he tried that move,” Ralf fumed. “One more millimeter and one of us could have been dead. Sometimes Michael is just not right in the head."

While Ralf vented his anger to reporters, Barrichello actually went one step further and took the matter to his boss, Jean Todt, as well as speaking his mind to Michael. However, in a move we haven’t seen since Austria 2002, the Brazilian then vented to the press….

"He overtook me in a place where he shouldn't have. He took a gamble for an extra point. But, if I hadn't moved out of the way, we would have crashed and lost the points we earned,” he explained. “I don't want to destabilize the team, but I have spoken to Michael and Jean Todt. A few years ago I wouldn't have said anything, and I don't suppose this will now change anything."

This was from GP2005 dot com for whatever it's worth. Can't wait to read what the Big Chin says in his diary on Planet F1 regarding this.

 

great to see NH perform! and olde webber's neck was ok since this track is so slow, i hope? the guy doesnt even get into racing shape.

 

I'm an Alonso fan, but that was a strange and stupid move and I was stunned not to see him being black flagged. Luckily Webber finally did manage to pass. What Alonso did was simply against the rules or I don't understand them at all?

Anyway it was a fantastic race. So many battles everywhere. Jacques' move was bone headed and hurt the team big time. Maybe Todt told him, he could test drive the Ferrari if he'd take both Saubers out of the points...


Alonso's statements after the race stating that he is happy with the result was very hard to believe and probably another PR white wash: Kimi gained 5 points on him and since Imola the Mc Laren is leaps and bounds faster than the Renault. That point advantage is going down fast.

Michael's performance was probably belying the problems of the Ferrari as Monaco is a driver's circuit and he knows it inside out.

 

I believe Webber has a cracked rib ... caused by a testing accident (or something). Webber is extremely fit, right up there with MS and takes his training very seriously.

I personally think he should have sat out a few races to let the injury heal ... instead of racing so poorly.

Pete

 

Not to insult you guys, but IMHO he races just the way he always raced. Obviously I'm missing something here, because I honor your opinion, but I have never seen the guy do anything great. I know that Minardi 5th (?) place, but flukes happen (Panis winning Monaco, 2 Jordans winning GPs).

I'm really not trying to be smug here and mean this in all seriousness: The guy races just like he always did. As a matter of fact I'm even impressed with his qualifying times and his third spot at Monaco. I didn't expect that.

At any rate, it'll be interesting to see who will have to make room for Button at the end of the season.

 

If you look at both tries from Webber you will se how he actually pushed Alonso out, specially the second one. Sure Alonso could have gone back to the chicane, but breaking harder with the risk of blowing one of his ready to explode tires.

Webber dit not pass Alonso cleanly at all, in both tries he had two of the wheel out of the track in what the rules consider as skiping the chicane. Even more if you look at the socond pass on the tape, Webber was clearly out. In other track he would ended in the sand trap, and Webber is the one who should have been penalised.

Yes Alonso skipped the chicane as Webber did too both times, if somebody could have an excuse to do it, that is Alonso, not Webber, who's tires were fine.

Heifield did it properly, Webber just did not have the talent to do so or Alonso was more defensive at the time. My opinion goes to the first option.

- Julio.

 

Interesting. I did not realize that. Neither did the commentators on US TV, but hey, what else is new?

 

We saw that while watching and realized that they couldn't penalize one and not the other.

Carol

 

At the end of the day Alonso was a moving roadblock-on any other circuit he would have been lucky to finish in the points seeing how badly he was holding everybody else up.

Clearly Alonso/Renault have no response to Kimi/McLaren. The Renault is clearly an inferior car to the McLaren; even their fabled "launch control" couldn't save Alonso on the streets on MC from an azz-whipping. A few more spankings like this will destroy the Renault's team morale; Briatore will soon be wishing he was back with Heidi Klum-too late for that!!!

 

Exactlly! In that respect Alnso wasn't smart, if he had stayed in his line, Renault could had ask for the penalty to Webber.

Well, Spanish commentators did notice, including Kimi's team mate, Pedro de La Rosa, who is one of the TV Commentators. I did too, he went strait closing the door to Alonso to properly go into the chicane, but you can judge yourself...
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Oh wow! That picture tells it all. You're right.

 

You saw it, we saw it, they (commentators) saw it (sounds like some pre-k reading story) but Mario didn't see it!!

Alonso in penalty row
23/05/2005 12:21

BMW's Mario Theissen reckons Fernando Alonso should have been penalised for cutting the chicane in a scrap with Mark Webber.


The marque's motor sport director said Renault's Spaniard, struggling on knackered tyres, stayed ahead of Williams' Australian for a time by using the short cut tactic.

Webber confirmed that 23-year-old Alonso was having trouble stopping 'at all' after the tunnel.

"He went straight one or two times," Mark explained, "so I think he knew he was having trouble.

"It wasn't a perfect move on my side either but I was pretty sure I would not be penalised."

Theissen, meanwhile, denied that Williams' 2-3 Monaco finish means the FW27 is now quicker than the blue-and-yellow Renault.

"And the McLaren was just in another world," the German added.

Well, the weekend with all it's pomp and circumstance is now behind us and only two more days and practice will be on Speed TV and we'll have more to discuss. The wx forecast for Germany is 50 or 60% change of rain depending on which wx guessers you believe. If that's the case, that should play into Michael's favor. Glad to see the elimination of the aggregate qualifying but will be happier if we could have the "good old racing" version of qualifying return. Wish I were in Germany out of the Texas heat (it's still only May)!

Carol

 

Speaking of BMW:

It looks as if BMW power for Sauber in 2006 is a done deal. The remaining question is more whether BMW will buy the entire team or not:

http://www.blick.ch/sport/formel1/artikel21111

RBR will become my new 2nd favourite team in 06.

 

What should he say, he neds the points. You know, some will say "the best defense is the attack".

After the second one although Alonso cut the chicane again, this time he gave the position back to Webber, mainly because, if he did not, either he would be penalised or Webber will take Alonso and himself to DNF, at the next time in that chicane!

BTW, I agree with those that see that Mclaren is really the car to beat, not the team. Unless they replace JPM, the team will strugle, IMHO.

However, you can not count Renault out as some do, because not all tracks are the same and the Renaults won't behave everywere as in Monaco, and they won't give up the fight! Hopefully!

What I do not understand is how the Renaults are having tire problems since Barcelona, they did not seem to have tire problems before. May it be related to the new engine? Heavier? more power?

- Julio.

 

If you look at the final picture posted by jbanzai, Alonso is behind Webber and in a position where he could easily turn in to make, or almost make, the chicane - but he specifically chose to turn right and cut across, and subsequently continue fighting for the position down to Tabac. If he hadn't made that decision, I think Webber would probably have been obliged to hand the position back.

As for Heidfeld giving Webber a 'spanking' this year, the points do not appear to reflect that. With regard to this specific race, it was a simple matter of whoever was called to the pits first, would finish ahead.

 

what do you think of what alonso did while webber was overtaking him? when he cut accross the chicane, he not only did it once, he did it twice. On the first try i think webber had a pretty clean line, not as clean as Nick H. but cleaner than his second one. I think alonso saw that he go passed and just tried to keep him behind, and them maybe try his luck with the stwears

what do you think?

 

Exactlly. Alonso took the wrong choice, INMO, which does not make Webber move any better.

- Julio.