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MC12 beats Enzo....

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by tonyh, May 29, 2005.

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  1. tonyh

    tonyh F1 World Champ
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    ... on Top Gear's track by 1/10 of second!
     
  2. Carrera_gtcrazy

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    I heard, Porbally because the MC12 looks better ;)

    Its probally because the MC12 has less drivers aid's etc.
     
  3. zjpj

    zjpj F1 Veteran

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    cool, can't wait to see the episode
     
  4. udalmia

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    zach, check you know where
     
  5. Future Owner

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    Where can I find the video?
     
  6. scud

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    tony i notice on the videos when the stig goes around on 1 part of the track ( looks like a full 360 degree ) it looks like the corner hasn't got a proper line, no witches hats etc to keep him in check. only a painted line which he could cut into and make the corner smaller saving time. the rest of the track tries to keep the driver to a true line. any further comments on this as lap time could be a lot different in different cars. also is it 1 flying lap or the best of a few? thanks
    rock on
     
  7. zjpj

    zjpj F1 Veteran

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    should be up soon, hopefully
     
  8. ytosun

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    Maybe because the Mc12 is a later model with some other sw. version (ecu)

    I heard the enzo has bosch ME 7.0 or some like that?

    Can someone confirm this??

    But even then,a 1/10 of a sec doesnt impress me....
     
  9. nejcdolinsek

    nejcdolinsek Karting

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    There is absolutely NO way the MC12 could have beat the Enzos time...

    1) They either staged it....

    OR

    2) When you watch the entire review, you see Clarkson burning out with the MC12, and even spins it, indicating that this MC12 probably is a press car ---> which means the stigg could push it MUCH harder than the Enzo (lets put it this way: would YOU want to be responsible for crashing someone else's $700,000 car ;-))... and BTW, the Enzo wasn't even run in!

    Secondly, the Enzo is more powerful than the MC12, as well as being lighter, and has CC brakes...

    This episode of Top Gear REALLY dissapointed me...
     
  10. Future Owner

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    Where can I find a video of this top gear test?
     
  11. ben, lj

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    top gear tests don't mean too much because they aren't run on the same days (month or even season). as well, tire pressure and condition is also major. there are a ton of variables which are not controlled in a very scientific way on top gear.
     
  12. AzN-TriNi

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    finalgear.com then u need to on irc to get the torrent as they arent allowed to release the torrent on the site
     
  13. HoboPie

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    I'm not sure what it was, but the lap was just a lot more composed than the Enzo's. He didn't slide through the first corner, and didn't twitch at the hammerhead.

    Everything I've heard about the car says that it is easier to drive quickly than the Enzo, but in the hands of a racing driver the Enzo should be quicker. The Enzo is the more extreme one some I'm not sure what exactly Clarkson is talking about. Then again he called the Enzo the F60 and explained to us how the F40 had massive turbolag yet somehow was supposed to get 60mph faster than a Zonda, CGT. Enzo and Mclaren F1. They are all NA cars with modern rubber and more importantly, have all been tested to 60 faster than the F40.

    The fact is that TopGear does what it wants and while it is certainly a good place to start, it is not the best source for reliable data. I can see that Clarkson might not know everything about every car, but I don't see how some of the crap gets through. A 10 year old with a book labeled "supercars" could have pointed out the 0-60 mistake.
     
  14. LMP234

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    1/10 of a second really means nothing. It means its essentially the same car performance wise. I'm sure if he wanted to he could urk 2/10 of a second off his last enzo time with some practice. And then another 1/10 off his MC12 time...and so on.

    Nothing to raise a fuss over.
     
  15. Jas

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    0.1 sec is nothing as the tests are not scientific. But they did say the Enzo was slower due to the interfering driver aids. They also said the Enzo was better to drive, by a long margin.

    Top Gear is more entertainment than testing though, as they removed the fastest car by a long way from their scoreboard: the Radical. It creamed the Enzo.

    Jas
     
  16. zjpj

    zjpj F1 Veteran

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    I agree. It's important to note that JC and all of Top Gear is for entertainment only, something it usually does quite well. Anyone who buys or doesn't buy a car based on their declarations, tests, and hyperbole would have to be nuts.
     
  17. jordan747_400

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    How fast did the Radical lap? 1:15ish?
     
  18. DAVE_WOOD

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    The red Radical they had on in the 2nd series (i think it was) did a 1:19.8 lap, same as the carrera gt, they tested it with the westfield, atom (n/a version), lotus elise 190, etc
     
  19. Jas

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    It's fairly common knowledge on UK car sites (probably from people who were there) that the original time they put up for the Radical was altered. Apparently - if you believe the stories - the Radical was many seconds quicker than that, but the time was altered due to pressure being applied.

    How true it all is I don't know, but it seems plausible seeing how "dodgy" the last series' times were.

    Jas
     
  20. Trevor L

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    the first rule of Fight Club....!
     
  21. thenumber1

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    Nice idea, but wrong.

    The MC12 is a privately owned car.

    Frank Mountain - Enzo owner, F1-2001 owner..... it was his.
     
  22. IlyaRU

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    I'm not surprised to be honest. The MC12 was designed as a racing car primarily, so it must be fast on a track. I have the whole TG episode if anyone wants it...
     
  23. VROOM!!!

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    Right here please! If your going to send it by email mine is: [email protected]

    Thanks!
     
  24. IlyaRU

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    I'll upload it to yousendit.com tomorrow because it's a 350MB file. I'll email you the link. :)
     
  25. VROOM!!!

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    Thanks man!
     

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